Wolfgang states: "If the airframe can't get back in the envelope,
then the airframe needs to be fixed."
There are lots of historical examples
to the contrary, like the F4 Phantom. Once in a flat spin, the plane
was unrecoverable from any altitude. "Stick Forward, Ailerons and
Rudder Neutral, If not Recovered, Maintain Full Forward Stick and Deploy
Drag Shoot" were not enough.
Yet the F4 was the work horse fighter for the Navy,
Air Force, Marines, and hosts of allies for decades. And it was
fast, over Mach II.
Yet, you stayed far far away from "departing" --
high angle of attack, stick one way and the rudder the
other.....
Most advanced stalls in IVP are recoverable, given
10,000 feet or so.
But unlike the F4, most of our IVPs are not
equipped with Martin-Baker ejection seats.
The F4 never got fixed. The IVP got "fixed."
It's called the "ES," with larger differently shaped wings and fixed
gear, that became the Columbia/Cessna.
The "fix" was a series of tradeoffs that IMHO made
it a less desirable plane -- slower, fixed gear,
non-pressurized.
I'll happily keep the un-fixed version of the IVP
myself, thank you.
John Hafen
On Jun 23, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Wolfgang wrote:
I, for one, want to be able to recover from
an "adverse" condition should I ever find myself in one.
Knowing where the edges of the envelope are
and how to get beck in the envelope should be required.
If the airframe can't get back in the
envelope, then the airframe needs to be fixed.
Wolfgang
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David,
I have no
problem with anyone who wants to explore the “envelope” of his/her
airplane. However, I take great exception to you grounding me because I
might choose to not get as near to the edge as you.
Lynn
Farnsworth
Super Legacy
#235
TSIO-550
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Reno Race #44
Mmo .6
I agree
100% also.
If you
don’t know what the incipient stall feels like in the stick and the
airframe you should not be flying the Legacy or 320’s.
(Not
knowing this is the single biggest killer of Lancair pilots.)
David
T.
Legacy
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