Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #58761
From: Jack Morgan <jmorgan1023@comcast.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:56:20 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:


From: 
John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net>
Date: June 20, 2011 8:00:14 AM EDT
Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p


Have you ever wondered why they don't make the IVP's any more?

John Hafen



I thought it was time to put a few facts into this dead horse fest.......

There are more than 600 IV/IV P kits sold and Lancair is maintaining the molds and a complete parts inventory so they can support this large fleet. You can buy a piston IV kit from stock if you like for now.

The current focus at Lancair is the Evolution for the up market and the various fixed gear derivates of the IV for the market below the very high end. The IV remains the best speed/efficiency piston aircraft available but the market for it is very limited as the new aircraft buyers in this class are settling on turbine solutions which they can afford. This leaves the IV with a very small market. Lancair will continue to build piston IV's for those who want them but the low volume will soon require a higher price which will further shrink the market. They are not investing in training for their sales/marketing team on the IV so there is not much mention of it from the sales types.

The entire speed envelope of the IV remains among the most impressive engineering accomplishments to date. Particularly impressive is the stall speed achieved compared to the high cruise cruise speed. Not surprising, the sink rate increases rapidly as the speed is bled off as expected for an aircraft of this speed performance. The high sink sets in well above stall speed which is not a trait GA pilots are used to. Once the IV pilot understands this condition the airplane handles very honestly. This is stock and trade for airline pilots as this high sink characteristic is inherent in the large airliners they fly..... with an outstanding safety record. The whole thrust of LOBO and the IV drivers is to urge everyone who flies a IV to get the training required to safely fly this excellent airplane.

Enough facts.... now for opinion.

Anyone who is not comfortable flying an airplane in the IV's class should not do it. It is not similar to the many slower production certified/less efficient aircraft around. Those of us who are willing to understand the trade offs involved sincerely hope that the low speed characteristics typical of production aircraft are not imposed upon aircraft like the IV... or airliners for that matter.

Flying is only safe for those who invest the time to understand the entire envelope of the aircraft they fly. Unless one has lots of altitude AND has many hours of aerobatics, the low speed envelope of the IV should be limited to the onset of stall. The accident rate for the IV correlates well with the time in type so if you get one...... get the training.

Jack Morgan





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