X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.144] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5026066 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:14:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.144; envelope-from=bu131@swbell.net Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 14:14:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 14:14:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 14:14:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 190633.95763.bm@omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67828 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2011 14:14:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iGPITnMVuXogZg+I1Svx81VfztHCAPDCTTCLWKHGMdpetIYMaUgZbvxgKg5HcGiY8RD417QELMOSKEN6PqFeLcBL6rmvtuSHwxZJ4IfHhivwabmnF9aSFrlw2RRXW/VjJF2WTQSMx/0m14usdjvKemD9sTjiCKF1CnxD1AfRHB8=; X-Original-Message-ID: <13033.50698.qm@web80002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ksaABUIVM1ma8.sWnytqW0PDkvhX2e5uA7N5EBPVC0ESkkn iwIGvKrhYbtwpjPcI6g4_zQC7E9zDuQ2xk6pcw_5XeHGTlg03ha4qKg8G552 ozsO1atTH0ykiv.gjgrN.aQpvp.YOIEvqVVovod7aId7Z42ovBBRZ6xKFI0f 1S_XNk3HgNRaqRGjEpi6Ist0CiZqZmVQyD6HcZp9ELE5Yk1e45ANaK7i1aaq 3KWchoBcCF388ARSAmsqB.y3pvplQ3SvrmQh5uRzfkiMe3RuUv7wZtWOqD.G sLHtllwJk6Znn_VbhMCOhS3JK4YufEn4wJjb2xLfA60Enn.0doE1gStmxFH_ FgVHk6jme6ywEGN79SThsibv70ITLFokdAJYevBImmw0j4ivWS5w3AqbNncE Oa1mVFABwdwSir3mVpO1rmPSsMUDWkWvTVySjEEQcug.9qv54m5tgBW_Fewa e7xnODIrgzle5rglQBEcqLsK02IF_cPcQWcVDXB8OC2oe_mvoHW_0g6OJMsh u3z25gF1OWtM.sEGmSaULCVpJpLe79dku7fK9CzziZfjwV56rxXt4fPJFRvo CVSWDJ9GLCQud3HrcU1Y_3lLhER5hO1aD Received: from [208.189.200.2] by web80002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:14:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dr Andres Katz Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1484229102-1308579253=:50698" --0-1484229102-1308579253=:50698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in experienced hands there is no other airplane that could beat the IV-P=0A= for comfort and economy=0Amy=A0=A0IV-P =A0stalls at 76=A0 KTS straight ahea= d flies straight hands off and when in =0Aa turn=0Awill continue level for = 360 degrees =0Ai have been unable to do that on any other airplanes includi= ng the docile 182=0Ait does honest 235 knots at altitude and when LOP I bur= n 16.5 g/hr with a range=0Aof 1250 miles=A0 a large baggage a/c and great i= nstrument platform=0Acome up with something similar=0A=0Aak=0A=0A=0A=0A____= ____________________________=0AFrom: John Hafen =0ATo:= lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Mon, June 20, 2011 7:00:14 AM=0ASubject: [LM= L] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for =0ALan= cair 4p=0A=0AHave you ever wondered why they don't make the IVP's any more?= =0A=0AJohn Hafen=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jun 18, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang wrote= :=0AIs it just me or does anyone else find it just a bit disturbing that th= e =0ALancairs have such "fearsome" stall characteristics ?=0A=0AWolfgang=0A= =0A----- Original Message -----=0A>From:=A0Sky2high@aol.com=0A>To:=A0lml@la= ncaironline.net=0A>Sent:=A0Friday, June 17, 2011 1:46 PM=0A>Subject:=A0Re: = [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair =0A>4p=0A= >=0A>Bruce,=0A>=0A>Au contraire, mon ami......=0A>=0A>The Advanced Systems = AOA does not require stalling the aircraft.=A0 Read for =0A>theory and cali= bration:=0A>http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%2= 0Manual%20rev4.pdf=0A>=0A>=0A>Grayhawk=0A>=0A>In a message dated 6/17/2011 = 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight =0A>Time,=A0BGray@glasair.org=A0writes:=0A>E= very single AOA I know of requires you to stall the aircraft to calibrate t= he =0A>AOA.=0A>>=A0=0A>>Bruce=0A>>WWW.Glasair.org=0A>>-----Original Message= -----=0A>>From:=A0Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]=A0On = Behalf Of=A0Bob =0A>>Rickard=0A>>Sent:=A0Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM=0A= >>To:=A0lml@lancaironline.net=0A>>Subject:=A0[LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing C= uffs,=A0Vortex=A0Generators for Lancair 4p=0A>>=A0=0A>>One of the main reas= ons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a time getting =0A>>insurance for = our airplanes is because too many guys "explored" the stall =0A>>characteri= stics of their airplane (and for many it was their last flight). =A0 I =0A>= >fly another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 degrees AOA, and have = a good =0A>>bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I will never stal= l my IV-P =0A>>intentionally. =A0Or even get close. =A0Like Colyn and John,= I'm 120 on downwind, =0A>>110 at the base turn and 100 on final until the = runway is assured. =A0 Unless we =0A>>fly the pattern at 8000 feet AGL, a s= tall will probably be fatal for any of us. =0A>>=A0Please don't be the next= one to prove this point !=0A>>=A0=0A>>Bob Rickard=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=A0=0A --0-1484229102-1308579253=:50698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
in experienced hands there is no other airplane that= could beat the IV-P
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for comfort and economy
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my&n= bsp; IV-P  stalls at 76  KTS straight ahead flies straight h= ands off and when in a turn
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will continue level for 360 degree= s
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i have been unable to do that on any other airplanes includ= ing the docile 182
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it does honest 235 knots at altitude and wh= en LOP I burn 16.5 g/hr with a range
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of 1250 miles  a lar= ge baggage a/c and great instrument platform
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=0AFrom: John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net&= gt;
To: lml@lancaironlin= e.net
Sent: Mon, June 20= , 2011 7:00:14 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for = Lancair 4p

Have you ever wondered why they don't make t= he IVP's any more? =0A

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John Hafen
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Is it just me or d= oes anyone else find it just a bit disturbing that the Lancairs have such "= fearsome" stall characteristics ?
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Wolfgang=
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From: Sky2high@aol.com=0A=0A
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Subject:=  Re: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds= , Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p
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Bruce,=0A
 
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Au contraire, mon ami......
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The Advanced Systems AOA does not require stalling the air= craft.  Read for theory and calibration:
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http://www.advan= ced-flight-systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20rev4.pdf
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I= n a message dated 6/17/2011 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, BGray@g= lasair.org writes:=0A
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<= FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2>Every single AOA I know of requires you to st= all the aircraft to calibrate the AOA.

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<= FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dnavy size=3D2>Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org

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From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancair= online.net] On Behalf Of&nbs= p;Bob Rickard
Sen= t: Thursday, Jun= e 16, 2011 3:24 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] = Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators f= or Lancair 4p

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One of the main reasons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a= time getting insurance for our airplanes is because too many guys "explore= d" the stall characteristics of their airplane (and for many it was their l= ast flight).   I fly another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 d= egrees AOA, and have a good bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I= will never stall my IV-P intentionally.  Or even get close.  Lik= e Colyn and John, I'm 120 on downwind, 110 at the base turn and 100 on fina= l until the runway is assured.   Unless we fly the pattern at 8000 fee= t AGL, a stall will probably be fatal for any of us.  Please don't be = the next one to prove this point !

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Bob Rickard

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