X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5026112 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:25:15 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.27; envelope-from=earleschroeder@yahoo.com Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 14:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 14:24:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 14:24:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 81585.32179.bm@omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 292 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2011 14:24:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4cgQNFXaADdBeW0dzLdxDJWBnu2f7yesmzxRrhl36m3cNf+PUk41du5StSX3qE4lBjoHPYy90OHlnGD20fc19oduQPSPIt/2sLFDIgGgVZGPK5vrDkMxYDfrblC7yNYhSYFW7KxVYSIJESbtq5mOYCoKghfyiGSJCYdEdSdnbTc=; X-Original-Message-ID: <933317.70527.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7o66gTUVM1kFbnBnVymSpS3Tkx45FqjvCg1_mX0YvYUKZLu rpByoJVeXd48R4.KfGOlGjVcjYoqN22zCgBybOL_qPnxPLS95YkjodQANvW5 Nulj9BJjoOSNumsugL4.zR5w0r35fgAdGJ5xVEz4WgokD8W_uBwXAy8nsHoT a6aBR86hHCIflhcDgIPx6Lam7qAVljE9z.aSvRaDHsZRzRTeEjWPW4WIyxIY 0Yygy.SGHcEsMqrdlRCoQyBinB26.zs8yV3nu5YJZaaVhAjvyZfhn6qWeZXr AvU7MV2MvLwvgebfviA6G4ytnQmyn93MMiak5QtjzY2kdAF8zRjV7.gLjY5I El.ZoWTM2yQ5MiGCxFy.MbVNjAquPbHccmSSJAciHuxVR7cHRn5o678Fakxm C1fhGZgoZzK9RhB0ePvdVb2PrvDgL.6W9a.biBuGawMCVU_T2wJ5ogYpHN5P dUZUTGiCptfxpk3DsXbIMPeRfvgRhRPEdY7O69YSmrch84y67YKQVvO7gJcQ r0DR5QcCF_gZqBZD1gY8ajnCPmhQim1ENEyFZ2ugb78r_Mj8KuxU1ZssAcak wfuxEBntFakCD3IbyA4VVeSg- Received: from [75.16.235.189] by web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:24:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Earl Schroeder Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-164347787-1308579879=:70527" --0-164347787-1308579879=:70527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or 200's, 235's, 320's, 360's, ...... ________________________________ From: John Hafen To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 7:00:14 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p Have you ever wondered why they don't make the IVP's any more? John Hafen On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang wrote: Is it just me or does anyone else find it just a bit disturbing that the Lancairs have such "fearsome" stall characteristics ? Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- >From: Sky2high@aol.com >To: lml@lancaironline.net >Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:46 PM >Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair >4p > >Bruce, > >Au contraire, mon ami...... > >The Advanced Systems AOA does not require stalling the aircraft. Read for >theory and calibration: >http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20rev4.pdf > > >Grayhawk > >In a message dated 6/17/2011 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight >Time, BGray@glasair.org writes: >Every single AOA I know of requires you to stall the aircraft to calibrate the >AOA. >> >>Bruce >>WWW.Glasair.org >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob >>Rickard >>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM >>To: lml@lancaironline.net >>Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p >> >>One of the main reasons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a time getting >>insurance for our airplanes is because too many guys "explored" the stall >>characteristics of their airplane (and for many it was their last flight). I >>fly another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 degrees AOA, and have a good >>bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I will never stall my IV-P >>intentionally. Or even get close. Like Colyn and John, I'm 120 on downwind, >>110 at the base turn and 100 on final until the runway is assured. Unless we >>fly the pattern at 8000 feet AGL, a stall will probably be fatal for any of us. >> Please don't be the next one to prove this point ! >> >>Bob Rickard >> >> >> --0-164347787-1308579879=:70527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Or 200's, 235's, 320's, 360's, ......


From: John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 7:00:14 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p

Have you ever wondered why they don't make the IVP's any more?

John Hafen


On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else find it just a bit disturbing that the Lancairs have such "fearsome" stall characteristics ?
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p

Bruce,
 
Au contraire, mon ami......
 
The Advanced Systems AOA does not require stalling the aircraft.  Read for theory and calibration:
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 6/17/2011 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, BGray@glasair.org writes:

Every single AOA I know of requires you to stall the aircraft to calibrate the AOA.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Rickard
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p

 

One of the main reasons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a time getting insurance for our airplanes is because too many guys "explored" the stall characteristics of their airplane (and for many it was their last flight).   I fly another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 degrees AOA, and have a good bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I will never stall my IV-P intentionally.  Or even get close.  Like Colyn and John, I'm 120 on downwind, 110 at the base turn and 100 on final until the runway is assured.   Unless we fly the pattern at 8000 feet AGL, a stall will probably be fatal for any of us.  Please don't be the next one to prove this point !

 

Bob Rickard

 


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