X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:56:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from proton.sasknet.sk.ca ([142.165.20.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5025426 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:35:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=142.165.20.178; envelope-from=hjjohnson@sasktel.net Received: from pps.filterd (proton [127.0.0.1]) by proton.sasknet.sk.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p5JNXaXM032635 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:34:41 -0600 Received: from bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (bgmpOMR1.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.72.22]) by proton.sasknet.sk.ca with ESMTP id x1tttr2wt-1 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:34:41 -0600 Received: from sasktel.net ([192.168.234.97]) by bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (SaskTel eMessaging Service) with ESMTP id <0LN2000ZV9HTGJ00@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:34:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.234.25] (Forwarded-For: [71.17.120.86]) by cgmail1.sasknet.sk.ca (mshttpd); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:34:41 -0600 X-Original-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:34:41 -0600 From: H & J Johnson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lanca... X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-id: <48155d068ea2.4dfe3331@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.1 HotFix 0.20 (built Feb 27 2006) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-19_05:2011-06-17,2011-06-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-1012030000 definitions=main-1106190200

Grayhawk, I've got my own opinion of topic but it's been beat enough that I heard PETA is looking into this 'dead horse'.. I will correct one thing however, in the high performance world you still have to demonstrate approach to stall and recovery. I'm flying a Corporate Jet A burner and have done approach to stalls in the Sim AND the actualy a/c. Infact I have to do it every 6months.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky2high@aol.com

Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011 9:30 am

Subject: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lanca...

> Wolfgang,
>
> It is not disturbing. Lancairs demand respect. High performance
> sometimes requires a tradeoff in low speed controlability. Every
> amateur built has
> different flight characteristics (actually spam cans may differ
> somewhat
> also). High performance jets don't require stall training
> either.
>
> Stalls should be avoided because slick airplanes speed response is
> very
> quick. These airplanes generally don't stall in cruise - only in
> the slow
> flight regime around the stinking airport. Why drag these in
> during approach
> and close to stall when turbulence, microbursts or sudden wind
> shifts
> (shear) leave you in the lurch. If it goes wrong, it goes wrong
> very fast. It
> is the uninformed pilot that can lose control because of slow
> speed
> maneuvering that has led the way to distressing accident stats.
>
> It is always interesting to look at the speed range of standard
> aircraft.
> Most span cans have a minimal range. Lancairs and their ilk have
> a rather
> broad range (max cruise to landing) and, as such, require
> compromises. I
> like to fly at max speeds and am willing to respect the
> limitations at
> lower speeds. This ain't no Cub (or LSA).
>
> Grayhawk
>
> In a message dated 6/18/2011 7:34:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes:
>
> Is it just me or does anyone else find it just a bit disturbing
> that the
> Lancairs have such "fearsome" stall characteristics ?
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: _Sky2high@aol.com_ (Sky2high@aol.com)
> To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (lml@lancaironline.net)
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex
> Generators for
> Lancair 4p
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> Au contraire, mon ami......
>
> The Advanced Systems AOA does not require stalling the aircraft.
> Read for
> theory and calibration:
> _http://www.advanced-flight-
> systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20rev4.pdf_
> (http://www.advanced-flight-
> systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20rev4.pdf)
>
> Grayhawk
>
>
> In a message dated 6/17/2011 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> _BGray@glasair.org_ (BGray@glasair.org) writes:
>
>
> Every single AOA I know of requires you to stall the aircraft to
> calibrate
> the AOA.
>
> Bruce
> WWW.Glasair.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> Bob
> Rickard
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators
> for Lancair
> 4p
>
> One of the main reasons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a
> time
> getting insurance for our airplanes is because too many guys
> "explored" the stall
> characteristics of their airplane (and for many it was their last
> flight).
> I fly another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 degrees
> AOA, and
> have a good bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I will
> never stall
> my IV-P intentionally. Or even get close. Like Colyn and John,
> I'm 120 on
> downwind, 110 at the base turn and 100 on final until the runway
> is
> assured. Unless we fly the pattern at 8000 feet AGL, a stall
> will probably be
> fatal for any of us. Please don't be the next one to prove this
> point !
>
>
>
> Bob Rickard
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