X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:15:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5024056 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:37:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p5HNae7i010297 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:36:40 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.11f9.30124c (43969) for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD032-d41d4dfbe50114d; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:36:35 -0400 Received: from webmail-d099 (webmail-d099.sim.aol.com [205.188.255.20]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD023-d41d4dfbe50114d; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:36:33 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p X-Original-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:36:33 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.65.42 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDFB5E86ADC8D5_1D88_1D66C_webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33867-STANDARD Received: from 24.107.65.42 by webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com (205.188.255.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:36:33 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CDFB5E86A6A4B2-1D88-C9BD@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CDFB5E86ADC8D5_1D88_1D66C_webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bruce, Not very wise advice for IV drivers.=20 Jeff Edwards President, Lancair Owners and Builders Organization Common guys, these are not unstable computer controlled fighters. Learn to= fly your airplane, learn to fly a stall, especially if you are going to= do acrobatics.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:34 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair= 4p Good stuff, I have an AOA Pro. The manual states to consult the POH for th= e stall speed. Do all L4P=E2=80=99s stall at the same speed? I know all GI= II=E2=80=99s don=E2=80=99t. =20 The only way to get an accurate stall speed is to do a 1G, straight and le= vel, power off stall. Then you know what to enter in the AOA for your airp= lane. Or you can use the POH data, but that defeats the purpose of the AOA= , you might as well just use the ASI. =20 Common guys, these are not unstable computer controlled fighters. Learn to= fly your airplane, learn to fly a stall, especially if you are going to= do acrobatics.=20 =20 Bruce WWW.Glasair.org=20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky= 2high@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:47 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair= 4p =20 Bruce, =20 Au contraire, mon ami...... =20 The Advanced Systems AOA does not require stalling the aircraft. Read for= theory and calibration: http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20r= ev4.pdf =20 Grayhawk =20 In a message dated 6/17/2011 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, BGray@gl= asair.org writes: Every single AOA I know of requires you to stall the aircraft to calibrate= the AOA. =20 Bruce WWW.Glasair.org=20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob= Rickard Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:24 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair= 4p =20 One of the main reasons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a time gettin= g insurance for our airplanes is because too many guys "explored" the stal= l characteristics of their airplane (and for many it was their last flight= ). I fly another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 degrees AOA, an= d have a good bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I will never= stall my IV-P intentionally. Or even get close. Like Colyn and John, I'= m 120 on downwind, 110 at the base turn and 100 on final until the runway= is assured. Unless we fly the pattern at 8000 feet AGL, a stall will pr= obably be fatal for any of us. Please don't be the next one to prove this= point ! =20 Bob Rickard =20 ----------MB_8CDFB5E86ADC8D5_1D88_1D66C_webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Bruce,
 
Not very wise advice for IV drivers.
 
Jeff Edwards
President, Lancair Owners and Builders Organization
Common guys, these= are not unstable computer controlled fighters. Learn to fly your airplane, learn to fly a stall, especially if you are= going to do acrobatics.




-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce <BGray@glasair.org>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:34 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair= 4p

Good stuff, I have= an AOA Pro. The manual states to consult the POH for the stall speed. Do= all L4P=E2=80=99s stall at the same speed? I know all GIII=E2=80=99s don=E2=80=99t.
 
The only way to get= an accurate stall speed is to do a 1G, straight and level, power off stal= l. Then you know what to enter in the AOA for your airplane. Or you can us= e the POH data, but that defeats the purpose of the AOA, you might as well= just use the ASI.
 
Common guys, these= are not unstable computer controlled fighters. Learn to fly your airplane, learn to fly a stall, especially if you are= going to do acrobatics.
 
-----Original= Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List= [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 17, 201= 1 1:47 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Stall= Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lanc= air 4p
 
Bruce,
 
Au contraire, mon ami......
 
The Advanced Systems AOA does not require stalling the aircraf= t.  Read for theory and calibration:
http://www.advanced-flight= -systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20rev4.pdf<= /div>
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 6/17/2011 12:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Ti= me, BGray@glasair.org writes:
= Every sin= gle AOA I know of requires you to stall the aircraft to calibrate the AOA.=
=  
= -----Or= iginal Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List= [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Ricka= rd
Sent: Thursday, June 16,= 2011 3:24 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Stall= Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lanc= air 4p
 
One of the main= reasons all of us IV-P owners have a hell of a time getting insurance for= our airplanes is because too many guys "explored" the stall characteristi= cs of their airplane (and for many it was their last flight).   I fly= another airplane that can fly comfortably at 60 degrees AOA, and have a= good bit of time as an operational test pilot, but I will never stall my= IV-P intentionally.  Or even get close.  Like Colyn and John,= I'm 120 on downwind, 110 at the base turn and 100 on final until the runw= ay is assured.   Unless we fly the pattern at 8000 feet AGL, a stall= will probably be fatal for any of us.  Please don't be the next one= to prove this point !
 
Bob Ric= kard


 
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