X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-vx0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5023856 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:32:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.180; envelope-from=mitchell715@gmail.com Received: by vxd7 with SMTP id 7so512311vxd.25 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; b=lRjMNW1EzhABjO39Cpbna/4ZS/t2oowrET6TKw1o8B/BFxydxlOBEqDiRZyc7FZOaA /Abg9HlmMUa49jOH5WTISg43J4h17gzR/9wOvBw79MHi30BtMkdnRm+nbcDoclKdCuBc OBHAOXwDBUj048Qa26CImOhKum9e5Pn2AvznA= Received: by 10.52.76.10 with SMTP id g10mr3484359vdw.252.1308335510791; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([67.142.51.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ck16sm1000746vdb.20.2011.06.17.11.31.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8J3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--684175437 X-Original-Message-Id: <9131FE48-6A38-4CA8-BCFF-F718D2E0CE73@gmail.com> X-Original-Cc: "lml@lancaironline.net" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8J3) From: Robert Mitchell Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AM Safe airbag seat belts X-Original-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:31:31 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-16--684175437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Leave your noise canceling headset on, it's gona make a lot of noise! Bob Mitchell. Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, John Hafen wrote: > My egress hammer is a model 1911 .45 ACP. I figure I can still use it eff= ectively even if I'm kind of broken up. >=20 > I'll let you know how it works if I ever have to use it. >=20 > John Hafen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:24 PM, RONALD STEVENS wrote: >=20 > Thanks, yes 3" is not a lot to work with, I guess that is why the Cirrus h= as those uncomfortable seats installed (they have a high impact seat with li= ttle cushion) >=20 > The plane for an upside down is to have the regress hammer somewhere in th= e cockpit (cirrus has them in their middle console), then hit the four corne= rs of the window and hope it will crack and kick out the window.=20 >=20 > -- Ronald >=20 > From: Colyn Case > Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:55 -0400 > To: > Subject: [LML] Re: AM Safe airbag seat belts >=20 > I have them. I have not crashed yet so can't report on their effectivene= ss. > I would expect them to be helpful in a hi-G forward deceleration which wou= ld not involve the engine coming through the firewall. > That would not help you in a spin or a pancake. In the latter remember t= hat your butt is about 3" above a very solid spar box > which is connected rather securely to the ground. >=20 > Also, you need a plan if you land upside down and you manage to survive or= for some reason your door won't open. >=20 > On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:24 AM, RONALD STEVENS wrote: >=20 >> Hello.=E2=80=A6.me again >>=20 >> I was reading upon accidents with the Lancair 4p and a few stand out to m= e, those where the cabin was intact but the pilot died. >>=20 >> So I am reasoning that the energy on impact was just to great to be absor= bed and that this was killing the pilot. Now there are Seatbelt airbag now a= vailable (AMSAFE), they have them standard in the Cirrus and if I am not mis= taken in all new Corvallis as well. >>=20 >> Does anybody from you installed them and what were your experiences? >>=20 >> Thanks =E2=80=94 Ronald >>=20 >> Ps if I am writing with a lot of mistakes, that's because I am dutch, liv= ed in Switzerland, Costa Rica (so Dutch, English, German and Spanish lol) >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-16--684175437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Leave your noise canceling headset on, i= t's gona make a lot of noise!
Bob Mitchell.

Sent from my iP= ad

On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net> wrote:

My egress hammer is a model 1911 .45 A= CP.  I figure I can still use it effectively even if I'm kind of broken= up.

I'll let you know how it works if I ever have to use= it.

John Hafen


=

On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:24 PM, RONALD STEVENS wrote:
=
Thanks,= yes 3" is not a lot to work with, I guess that is why the Cirrus has those u= ncomfortable seats installed (they have a high impact seat with little cushi= on)

The plane for an upside down is to have the reg= ress hammer somewhere in the cockpit (cirrus has them in their middle consol= e), then hit the four corners of the window and hope it will crack and kick o= ut the window. 

-- Ronald

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From: Colyn Case <col= yncase@earthlink.net>
Reply-T= o: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net><= br>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:55 -= 0400
To: <lml@lancairon= line.net>
Subject: [L= ML] Re: AM Safe airbag seat belts

I have them.   I have not crashed yet so can't report on= their effectiveness.
I would expect them to be helpful in a hi-G forwar= d deceleration which would not involve the engine coming through the firewal= l.
That would not help you in a spin or a pancake.   In the l= atter remember that your butt is about 3" above  a very solid spar box<= /div>
which is connected rather securely to the ground.

Also, you need a plan if you land upside down and you manage to sur= vive or for some reason your door won't open.

On Jun= 16, 2011, at 7:24 AM, RONALD STEVENS wrote:

Hello.=E2= =80=A6.me again

I was reading upon accidents with t= he Lancair 4p and a few stand out to me, those where the cabin was intact bu= t the pilot died.

So I am reasoning that the energy= on impact was just to great to be absorbed and that this was killing the pi= lot. Now there are Seatbelt airbag now available (AMSAFE), they have them st= andard in the Cirrus and if I am not mistaken in all new Corvallis as well.<= /div>

Does anybody from you installed them and what were y= our experiences?

Thanks =E2=80=94 Ronald
=
Ps if I am writing with a lot of mistakes, that's because I a= m dutch, lived in Switzerland, Costa Rica (so Dutch, English, German and Spa= nish lol)


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