X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.24] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5023767 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:17:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.24; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x4yL1g0041zF43QA25H9yz; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:17:09 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.17.111.171]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x5Gf1g01Q3hvfg88k5GgW5; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:16:40 +0000 From: John Hafen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-29--688652872 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AM Safe airbag seat belts X-Original-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:17:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-29--688652872 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 My egress hammer is a model 1911 .45 ACP. I figure I can still use it = effectively even if I'm kind of broken up. I'll let you know how it works if I ever have to use it. John Hafen On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:24 PM, RONALD STEVENS wrote: Thanks, yes 3" is not a lot to work with, I guess that is why the Cirrus = has those uncomfortable seats installed (they have a high impact seat = with little cushion) The plane for an upside down is to have the regress hammer somewhere in = the cockpit (cirrus has them in their middle console), then hit the four = corners of the window and hope it will crack and kick out the window.=20 -- Ronald From: Colyn Case Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:55 -0400 To: Subject: [LML] Re: AM Safe airbag seat belts I have them. I have not crashed yet so can't report on their = effectiveness. I would expect them to be helpful in a hi-G forward deceleration which = would not involve the engine coming through the firewall. That would not help you in a spin or a pancake. In the latter remember = that your butt is about 3" above a very solid spar box which is connected rather securely to the ground. Also, you need a plan if you land upside down and you manage to survive = or for some reason your door won't open. On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:24 AM, RONALD STEVENS wrote: > Hello.=85.me again >=20 > I was reading upon accidents with the Lancair 4p and a few stand out = to me, those where the cabin was intact but the pilot died. >=20 > So I am reasoning that the energy on impact was just to great to be = absorbed and that this was killing the pilot. Now there are Seatbelt = airbag now available (AMSAFE), they have them standard in the Cirrus and = if I am not mistaken in all new Corvallis as well. >=20 > Does anybody from you installed them and what were your experiences? >=20 > Thanks =97 Ronald >=20 > Ps if I am writing with a lot of mistakes, that's because I am dutch, = lived in Switzerland, Costa Rica (so Dutch, English, German and Spanish = lol) --Apple-Mail-29--688652872 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 My = egress hammer is a model 1911 .45 ACP. I figure I can still use it = effectively even if I'm kind of broken up.

I'll let = you know how it works if I ever have to use = it.

John = Hafen

On Jun 16, = 2011, at 12:24 PM, RONALD STEVENS wrote:

The plane for an = upside down is to have the regress hammer somewhere in the cockpit = (cirrus has them in their middle console), then hit the four corners of = the window and hope it will crack and kick out the = window.

-- = Ronald

From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List = <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:55 = -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: AM Safe airbag = seat belts

I have them. I have not crashed yet so can't = report on their effectiveness.

I would expect them to be helpful in = a hi-G forward deceleration which would not involve the engine coming = through the firewall.

That would not help you in a spin or a = pancake. In the latter remember that your butt is about 3" above = a very solid spar box

which is connected rather securely = to the ground.

Also, you need a plan if you = land upside down and you manage to survive or for some reason your door = won't open.

On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:24 AM, RONALD = STEVENS wrote:

Hello.=85.me = again

I was reading upon accidents with the = Lancair 4p and a few stand out to me, those where the cabin was intact = but the pilot died.

So I am reasoning that the = energy on impact was just to great to be absorbed and that this was = killing the pilot. Now there are Seatbelt airbag now available (AMSAFE), = they have them standard in the Cirrus and if I am not mistaken in all = new Corvallis as well.

Does anybody from you = installed them and what were your = experiences?

Thanks =97 = Ronald

Ps if I am writing with a lot of = mistakes, that's because I am dutch, lived in Switzerland, Costa Rica = (so Dutch, English, German and Spanish = lol)

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