X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:36:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5019983 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:51:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.64; envelope-from=jimauman@comcast.net Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id voLU1g0071wpRvQ57oqXZa; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:50:31 +0000 Received: from OFFICE ([98.228.183.52]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id voqW1g00618ElD63eoqWE2; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:50:31 +0000 From: "Jim Auman" X-Original-To: "'Ed Gray'" , References: Subject: RE: N numbers X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:47:15 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010D_01CC2A67.47EDB2E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Thread-Index: AcwqedXLj5+w28jzSsOO8NcS21OINAAESUQg This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01CC2A67.47EDB2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=3Decfr &sid=3D70147eedbfce0d8e20b5db33242f19c4&rgn=3Ddiv8&view=3Dtext&node=3D14:= 1.0.1.3.22. 3.363.6&idno=3D14 =20 1 Go to www.faa.gov =20 2 Click on Regulations and Policies Tab 3 Click on FAA Regulations 4 Click on Current Federal Regulations 5 Click on 1-59 6 Click on 45.1-45.33 7 Click on 45.29 8 Look at (b) 1 (ii) =93=853 inches high may be displayed=85when the maximum cruising speed of the aircraft does not = exceed 180 knots CAS;=85=94 =20 =20 Without a Letter from your FSDO for your specific N number, you are = clearly directed by the text. Call or visit your FSDO or MIDO. =20 =20 Remember, your program letter with your application, if you use a preformatted one, says that you marked your aircraft I/A/W FAR 45. =20 Operating Limitation Number 1, issued on day of Certification, states = that you are to comply with all of FAR 91. FAR 91.9 (c) says that you must = be ID=92d Via =85=94part 45 of this chapter=94. This is further defined = again around Operating Limit (13) =85=94 This aircraft must contain the placards, = markings, etc., as required by =A791.9=94. =20 So, unless you have an individual Letter, in your possession, to deviate from the included texts, I=92d say the text is pretty clear. =20 You can do anything with a Clearance. Just because someone else is = running afoul of their specific Operating Limits, and the FAR, does not make it = OK for us to repeat their intention.=20 =20 Bottom line is that you=92ve got to have a separate letter, or a = statement built into your Operating Limits, to not violate all of the above. This subject is not new nor has it been changed in the last 20 years. Be = careful out there. =20 Jim =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Ed Gray [mailto:egraylaw@swbell.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: N numbers =20 My understanding was numbers should be one foot high if plane exceeds = 200 knots, but I have seen many 360s with 3 inch numbers, and am sure these = are 200 knot planes. I plan on a little over 200 knots, what should I do? Ed Gray, Dallas L2 building ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01CC2A67.47EDB2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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1           = ;          Go to www.faa.gov

=

2           = ;          Click on Regulations and Policies Tab

3           = ;          Click on FAA Regulations

4           = ;          Click on Current Federal Regulations

5           = ;          Click on 1-59

6           = ;          Click on 45.1-45.33

7           = ;          Click on 45.29

8           = ;          Look at (b) 1 (ii)=A0=A0 “…3 inches high may be = displayed…when the maximum cruising speed of the aircraft does not exceed 180 knots = CAS;…”=A0

 

Without a Letter from your FSDO for = your specific N number, you are clearly directed by the text.=A0 Call or = visit your FSDO or MIDO.=A0

 

Remember, your program letter with = your application, if you use a preformatted one, says that you marked your = aircraft I/A/W FAR 45.

 

Operating Limitation Number 1, = issued on day of Certification, states that you are to comply with all of FAR = 91.=A0=A0 FAR 91.9 (c) says that you must be ID’d Via …”part 45 of = this chapter”.=A0 This is further defined again around Operating Limit = (13) …” This aircraft must contain = the placards, markings, etc., as required by =A791.9”.

 

So, unless you have an individual = Letter, in your possession, to deviate from the included texts, I’d say = the text is pretty clear.

 

You can do anything with a = Clearance.=A0 Just because someone else is running afoul of their specific Operating = Limits, and the FAR, does not make it OK for us to repeat their intention. =

 

Bottom line is that you’ve = got to have a separate letter, or a statement built into your Operating Limits, = to not violate all of the above.=A0 This subject is not new nor has it been = changed in the last 20 years.=A0 Be careful out there.

 

Jim

 

 

 

From: Ed = Gray [mailto:egraylaw@swbell.net]
Sent: Monday, June 13, = 2011 6:50 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: N = numbers

 

My understanding was numbers should be one foot high if plane = exceeds 200 knots, but I have seen many 360s with 3 inch numbers, and am sure = these are 200 knot planes.  I plan on a little over 200 knots, what should I = do?

Ed Gray, Dallas L2 building

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