X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:56:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.212] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5019668 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:49:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.27.212; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vioG1g0061zF43QAEiounb; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:48:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.128.152] ([71.39.4.91]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vioP1g00S1xpSLv8kioSQf; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:48:31 +0000 From: John Hafen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--985556257 Subject: Re: [LML] Upgrading to IV-P or IV-PT from a Legacy X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:48:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-1--985556257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Jay: I'm biased. So take this with a grain of salt. I love my IVP. I'm currently on the "road" traveling in my IVP. I = brought with me a huge suitcase, communications gear, and, most = importantly, golf clubs (including the giant mondo tour bag). I climb = out at 1500 FPM at about 40 GPH, cruise at 17 GPH, and can fly much = longer than I can go without having to take a pee. I can hit Vegas from = my home in Seattle, non-stop. Or Fresno to see the grand kids. Pressurization is lovely. Air conditioning is sweet. Having a back = seat to load up with gear, and a baggage section in the tail, lets me = bring the kitchen sink with me on the road. =20 For everything else, there's MasterCard. =20 The only better load handler was my Cessna T210, where you could take = out the back seats and carry an extra Corvette engine for a friend. But = I didn't have pressurization or air conditioning, and I flew at 155 KIAS = versus 270 KIAS. A turbine climbs out faster, but burns way more fuel and doesn't have = the range or the load capacity. Admittedly, it is sexier, but you can't = take as much stuff or go as far. Or get insurance. The new Lancair Evolution is a great bird, but won't hit 300 KIAS in = cruise. Even so, If money is no object for you, I would recommend an = Evolution, rather than a IVP-T. Or better yet, a Piper Jet, or a = Pilatus. And I hear the new Gulfstream is pretty nice. But for the money, the IVP with a Continental TSIO 550 is a pretty cool, = sexy, cost efficient, capable machine. Too bad they aren't making the = kits any more. Big mistake on the part of Lancair, IMHO. And in the end, airplanes are like women. Everyone likes something a = little different. =20 Call if you want to chat. John Hafen IVP 413AJ 300 hours 206 830-0700 On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Jay Phillips wrote: I=92ve owned my Legacy for about 18 months and 230 hours. It=92s hard to = imagine living without it. But I=92ve started to look longingly at = IV-P=92s and IV-PT=92s. My main interest is pressurization. Additional = speed and seats would be nice. My wife=92s main interest is air = conditioning (I know that A/C is available for the Legacy. I=92m not = telling her about that J ). =20 I=92ve been doing my research on costs, both acquisition and operation, = and I think I have a understanding of those. =20 I=92m looking for comments/observations regarding the wisdom or lack = thereof of moving from a Legacy to a IV-P. I=92m also interested in = people=92s thoughts on the turbine versus piston. I=92ve read a bunch on = this topic. My conclusion is that, logically, there are insufficient = benefits (relative to costs) to the turbine. But there are large = emotional benefits, and if there was no emotional satisfaction in flying = I probably wouldn=92t do it at all. =20 My wife (the more rational member of this partnership) says I need to = fly in both types (piston and turbine) before I make a choice. She=92s = probably right (she usually is). Anyone west of the Mississippi (I=92m = in Prescott, AZ, but willing to travel) willing to introduce me to the = joys of the IV-P (piston or turbine)? =20 Jay Phillips Legacy N92SX =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Jay Phillips Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:48 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: FltPlan =20 I used the model they have =93built-in=94 (LEG2). Works well enough for = my purposes. =20 Jay Phillips =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Jon Socolof Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] FltPlan =20 Anyone have Legacy performance data in FltPlan.com and want to share or = know which A/C type is similar? =20 Jon --Apple-Mail-1--985556257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Jay:

I'm biased.  So take = this with a grain of salt.

I love my IVP. =   I'm currently on the "road" traveling in my IVP.  I brought = with me a huge suitcase, communications gear, and, most importantly, = golf clubs (including the giant mondo tour bag).  I climb out at = 1500 FPM at about 40 GPH, cruise at 17 GPH, and can fly much longer than = I can go without having to take a pee.  I can hit Vegas from my = home in Seattle, non-stop.  Or Fresno to see the grand = kids.

Pressurization is lovely.  Air = conditioning is sweet.  Having a back seat to load up with gear, = and a baggage section in the tail, lets me bring the kitchen sink with = me on the road.  

For everything else, = there's MasterCard.  

The only better load = handler was my Cessna T210, where you could take out the back seats and = carry an extra Corvette engine for a friend.  But I didn't have = pressurization or air conditioning, and I flew at 155 KIAS versus 270 = KIAS.

A turbine climbs out faster, but burns = way more fuel and doesn't have the range or the load capacity. =  Admittedly, it is sexier, but you can't take as much stuff or go = as far.  Or get insurance.

The new Lancair = Evolution is a great bird, but won't hit 300 KIAS in cruise.  Even = so, If money is no object for you, I would recommend an Evolution, = rather than a IVP-T.  Or better yet, a Piper Jet, or a = Pilatus.

And I hear the new Gulfstream is = pretty nice.

But for the money, the IVP with a = Continental TSIO 550 is a pretty cool, sexy, cost efficient, capable = machine.  Too bad they aren't making the kits any more.  Big = mistake on the part of Lancair, IMHO.

And in = the end, airplanes are like women.  Everyone likes something a = little different.   

Call if you want = to chat.

John Hafen
IVP 413AJ =  300 hours
206 = 830-0700



On Jun = 13, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Jay Phillips wrote:

I=92ve owned my Legacy for about 18 months and 230 hours. = It=92s hard to imagine living without it. But I=92ve started to look = longingly at IV-P=92s and IV-PT=92s. My main interest is pressurization. = Additional speed and seats would be nice. My wife=92s main interest is = air conditioning (I know that A/C is available for the Legacy. I=92m not = telling her about that  ).
I=92ve been doing my research on costs, both acquisition and = operation, and I think I have a understanding of = those.
 
I=92m looking for comments/observations regarding the wisdom = or lack thereof of moving from a Legacy to a IV-P. I=92m also interested = in people=92s thoughts on the turbine versus piston. I=92ve read a bunch = on this topic. My conclusion is that, logically, there are insufficient = benefits (relative to costs) to the turbine. But there are large = emotional benefits, and if there was no emotional satisfaction in flying = I probably wouldn=92t do it at all.
My wife (the more rational member of this partnership) says = I need to fly in both types (piston and turbine) before I make a choice. = She=92s probably right (she usually is). Anyone west of the Mississippi = (I=92m in Prescott, AZ, but willing to travel) willing to introduce me = to the joys of the IV-P (piston or turbine)?
Jay Phillips
Legacy N92SX
From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jay = Phillips
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:48 = AM
To:  [LML] Re: = FltPlan
Anyone have Legacy performance data = in FltPlan.com and want to share or know = which A/C type is similar?