Return-Path: Received: from cdihost.cdicorp.com ([207.79.152.5]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:00:03 -0500 Received: from HQ-EDI by cdihost.cdicorp.com via smtpd (for ns1.olsusa.com [205.245.9.2]) with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 15:07:33 UT Received: from cdim-pts-mail.cdicorp.com (CDIM-PTS-MAIL [172.17.131.3]) by hq-edi.cdicorp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id VTG7S69A; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:07:31 -0500 Received: by CDIM-PTS-MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Rumburg, William" To: "'lancair.list@olsusa.com'" Subject: Re: MoGas Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:07:26 -0500 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Brent's statements regarding the quality and octane rating of auto fuel sold at gas stations would have had a lot of validity 20 years ago and some validity just ten years ago, but have little now. Neither is 100LL the "holy grail" that he thinks it is. 100LL actually contains a lot of lead, but derives it's "Low Lead" designation because it's formulated with less lead then it's heavily leaded predecessor. I choose to burn auto gas in my 8.5:1 engine, not because of cost, but because it runs better burning auto gas and because I don't want it fouled with lead. Many other pilots have told me that their engines also run better on auto gas than 100LL. Octane - There are two methods of measuring octane for auto fuel, the "Research" (R) method and the "Motor" (M) method. Research yields a higher number than Motor. Many years ago, the EPA decided to eliminate the dual numbers (forcing a marriage of apples and oranges) by adding the two and averaging them as [(R+M) / 2]. 100LL is measured on the Research scale. When leaded auto gas was available, you could buy 100 to 103 octane (Research) at some gas stations. Currently available 93 [(R+M) / 2] octane auto gas would measure about 97 octane, if measured on the Research scale. Octane requirements are dictated primarily by compression ratio; however, aircraft piston engines do require a higher octane margin to guard against detonation than a more evolved automobile engine (for many reasons that would be too lengthy to list here) primarily because of their cruder design (large bore pistons yeilding a wide flamefront that requires two sparkplugs spaced far apart) and because pilots must (sometimes erronously) set the mixture control themselves :-). So, in using auto gas you do give up some of that margin of safety. Purity - The EPA has mandated increasingly strict evaporative controls and auto gas has been greatly cleaned up because of electronic fuel injectors. I can't go around with analysis equipment so, yes, I have faith that what I'm purchasing is as stated. However, there are a lot of "No Name" stations out there and it's true that someone can always profit by adulterating or watering down a product so I wouldn't advise purchaing auto fuel for an airplane from other than a modern, leading brand station (with a high turnover rate). The 100LL at your airport could have been in the tank for a Long time. Also, all of the old, leaking metal storage tanks at the auto stations have been replaced with fiberglass tanks. That is not yetr true of many airports. Their old metal tanks could well be leaking, giving you a dose of water and other contaminents with your 100LL. As for cross-contamination in the auto fuel pipeline system, if 50 or 100K gallons is refined and pumped through a pipeline that has residuals, the contamination would probably not even be detectable. As I stated previously, I burn only Amoco. They do not store gas at their refinery (preventing cross'contamination) but ship directly to dealers. In addition, Amoco prevents their dealers from putting other than Amoco in their storage tanks by charging them only for gas that's pumped, not what is delivered. So, if an Amoco dealer put anything else in his tanks, he would pay twice. Please note that I've refrained from using any expletives or thinly-veiled personal critisim. Bill Rumburg N403WR (Sonic bOOm) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>