X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:11:27 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.10) with ESMTPS id 7216531 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:11:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.172; envelope-from=dballin@gmail.com Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o8so1111886qcw.31 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.87.67 with SMTP id q61mr20442386qgd.92.1413385868992; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:11:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.40.202 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dballin@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Dan Ballin X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:10:37 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113abee6a6e7d00505778aac --001a113abee6a6e7d00505778aac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not that this would work on an ES and I don't have wheel pants on my RG Legacy, but I work as a builder for X-Air which is a light sport. We have a small hole in the pant just aft of the bolt. We then take some safety wire and wrap it a few turns around a small washer (probably about a #6) and then put both ends through the hole. You now have one end of the safety wire secured and can use the ends as you normally would to secure the bolt head using a ANxH- bolt Dan On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, George Wehrung wrote: > That=E2=80=99s a great idea Bill, Thanks. > > I am thinking of mounting a smaller head-drilled bolt aft of the main bol= t > with a NyLock Nut and safety wire both bolts together. > > > On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > I too have lost one of these bolts. > I haven=E2=80=99t done this, but you could drill a couple of 1/16 inch ho= les in > the wheel pant maybe =C2=BD inch or so apart, aft of the bolt and run a s= afety > wire thru them. Alternatively, you could flox in a small loop of safety > wire just aft of the bolt that you could use as an attachment for a safet= y > wire. Similar to the way that the fuel drains in the wings are safetied > > Bill . > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Skip Slater > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:38 AM > *To:* Lancair Mailing List > *Subject:* [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants > > When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a large metal washer to the > outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on the sides to blend it in an= d > a couple of BID over it. The idea was to prevent stress from cracking th= e > fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading the load. It doesn't > protect the paint - I put a flat washer under the bolt to do that. I've > also lost bolts and spacers twice, even though I preflight exactly the sa= me > way Gary described; by wiggling the back end of the pant to check for > tightness on each walkaround. Even though I now put Locktite on the ends > of the threads, that bolt will still back it's way out over time. I just > found one loose the last time I went flying a couple of days ago and it > took about a turn and a half to get the bolt tight again. > > If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure out a way to secure the > bolt because it's been a persistent issue. > > Skip Slater > > *From:* Gary Casey > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM > *To:* Lancair Mailing List > *Subject:* [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants > > I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight inspection. > Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I > hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, so it'= s > a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sure will come > loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way > to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwe= d > to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the hole. Then put a star washer > under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me - they must be costing 2 > knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant to make them flus= h > or to find a button head bolt. I did neither. > Gary > > > I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on > the=3D > main gear. > > Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant th= e > b=3D > olt to prevent loosing them inflight? > > I just hope it didn't hit anybody. > > > --001a113abee6a6e7d00505778aac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not that this would work on an ES and I don't hav= e wheel pants on my RG Legacy, but I work as a builder for X-Air which is a= light sport.=C2=A0 We have a small hole in the pant just aft of the bolt.= =C2=A0 We then take some safety wire and wrap it a few turns around a small= washer (probably about a #6) and then put both ends through the hole.=C2= =A0 You now have one end of the safety wire secured and can use the ends as= you normally would to secure the bolt head using a ANxH- bolt

Dan

On = Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:
That= =E2=80=99s a great idea Bill, Thanks.

I am thinking of m= ounting a smaller head-drilled bolt aft of the main bolt with a NyLock Nut = and safety wire both bolts together.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@verizon.net> wrote:
I too have lost one of these bolts.<= u>
I haven=E2= =80=99t done this, but you could drill a couple of 1/16 inch holes in the w= heel pant maybe =C2=BD inch or so apart, aft of the bolt and run a safety w= ire thru them.=C2=A0 Alternatively, you could flox in a small loop of safet= y wire just aft of the bolt that you could use as an attachment for a safet= y wire.=C2=A0 Similar to the way that the fuel drains in the wings are safe= tied
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From:=C2= =A0Lancair Mailing List=C2=A0[mailto:lml@lancaironline.ne= t]=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0Skip Slater
Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:38 AMTo:=C2=A0Lancair Mailing List
Subjec= t:=C2=A0[LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
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When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a large metal w= asher to the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler=C2=A0on the sides t= o blend it in and a couple of BID over it.=C2=A0 The idea was to prevent st= ress from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading th= e load.=C2=A0 It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer under = the bolt to do that.=C2=A0 I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even= though I preflight exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the ba= ck end of the pant to check for tightness on each walkaround.=C2=A0 Even th= ough I now put Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still ba= ck it's way out over time.=C2=A0 I just found one loose the last time I= went flying a couple of days ago and it took about a turn and a half to ge= t the bolt tight again.
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If I= had it to do over again, I'd probably figure out a way to secure the b= olt because it's been a persistent issue.=C2=A0=
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Skip Slater
From:=C2=A0= Gary Casey
Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, October = 14, 2014 3:49 AM
S= ubject:=C2=A0[LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants=
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I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight in= spection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the = bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, = so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sur= e will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is e= nough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal plate on the s= urface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the hole. Then put = a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me - they must be c= osting 2 knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant to make th= em flush or to find a button head bolt. I did neither.=
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I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on= the=3D
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way to s= afety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=3D
olt to preve= nt loosing them inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit= anybody.
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