X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:59:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [208.89.133.19] (HELO outbound004.nyc1.bluetie.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.10) with ESMTPS id 7214184 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:41:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.89.133.19; envelope-from=ronr@advanceddesign.com Received: from emta002.nyc1.bluetie.com ([10.200.32.132]) by outbound004.nyc1.bluetie.com with outbound004 id 33gh1p0072r2hME013ghdQ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:40:42 -0400 X-CMAE-OUT-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=T/8Ovo2Q c=1 sm=1 a=D1WyfrFDvMke/MhWfJFckQ==:17 a=ZKcYWv56Xt4A:10 a=e4k0yvy6-1wA:10 a=S7olvq7KAAAA:8 a=qEGNEmcEjMF7_4HQqCEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=3wyg4sOYK3jmz8qpfkEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=dJZekOFAP8JLS9RA:21 a=QW//Gr6N8e47Y7SYGlNM8A==:117 X-CMAE-OUT-Score: 0.00 Received: from HP68182789221 (50-79-162-253-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.79.162.253]) (Authenticated sender: ronr@advanceddesign.com) by emta002.nyc1.bluetie.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 735541BC15E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:40:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <881B337E8D3C4EC79A5F90A8AE0A2FE3@adm2k.local> From: "Ron Raby" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:34:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CFE7A2.C3A51D50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CFE7A2.C3A51D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I put a little locktite on the threads. Ron Raby ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Skip Slater=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a large metal washer to = the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on the sides to blend it = in and a couple of BID over it. The idea was to prevent stress from = cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading the load. = It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer under the bolt to do = that. I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even though I preflight = exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the back end of the = pant to check for tightness on each walkaround. Even though I now put = Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back it's way = out over time. I just found one loose the last time I went flying a = couple of days ago and it took about a turn and a half to get the bolt = tight again. If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure out a way to secure = the bolt because it's been a persistent issue.=20 Skip Slater From: Gary Casey=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight = inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten = the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant = material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it = for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 = ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal = plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind = the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads = bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a = cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I = did neither. Gary I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel = pants on the=3D main gear. Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel = pant the b=3D olt to prevent loosing them inflight? I just hope it didn't hit anybody. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CFE7A2.C3A51D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I put a little locktite on the=20 threads.
 
Ron Raby
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Skip=20 Slater
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety = wiring will=20 pants

When we built up my ES wheel pants, = we bonded a=20 large metal washer to the outside of the bolt holes, then put = filler on=20 the sides to blend it in and a couple of BID over it.  The idea = was to=20 prevent stress from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point = and=20 spreading the load.  It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat = washer=20 under the bolt to do that.  I've also lost bolts and spacers = twice, even=20 though I preflight exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling = the back=20 end of the pant to check for tightness on each walkaround.  Even = though I=20 now put Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back = it's=20 way out over time.  I just found one loose the last time I went = flying a=20 couple of days ago and it took about a turn and a half to get the bolt = tight=20 again.
 
If I had it to do over again, I'd = probably figure=20 out a way to secure the bolt because it's been a persistent=20 issue. 
 
Skip Slater
From: Gary Casey
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants

I have found = that the bolt=20 needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft = tip of the=20 pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten = it as=20 it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you = don't=20 tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it = seems=20 like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a = small=20 (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one = screw=20 behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those = bolt=20 heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either = build a=20 cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. = I did=20 neither.
Gary
I have lost my outer bolt and = spacer two=20 times now for my wheel pants on the=3Dmain = gear.Has anybody considered a way = to safety=20 wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=3Dolt to prevent loosing them=20 inflight?
I just hope it didn't hit=20 anybody.

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