X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com ([209.85.192.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 7087902 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:42:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.171; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z10so9968911pdj.16 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:41:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.133.193 with SMTP id pe1mr6063250pdb.124.1407724909002; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:41:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.123] (c-208-53-115-208.customer.broadstripe.net. [208.53.115.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h10sm52209964pat.11.2014.08.10.19.41.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3FA2A23C-0A8C-4A7F-859C-C324C995B158 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: High CHTs on #2, TSIO 550 From: John B <2thman1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11D257) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:41:43 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-3FA2A23C-0A8C-4A7F-859C-C324C995B158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would suggest that a scoop helps both with the door open and a little less= with it cold. Building the scoop - or bubble - in the front wall of the oi= l cooler box provides a pathway for airflow over the aft fins of the #2 cyli= nder with the door closed or open. John Barrett Sent from my iPad > On Aug 10, 2014, at 1:56 PM, "pete@leapfrogventures.com" wrote: >=20 > That is correct. However, the only time you need to close the oil door is w= hen temps are really cold, which means your CHTs are on the cool side as wel= l, so it works just fine in both hot and cold scenarios.=20 >=20 > Pete=20 >=20 > On Aug 9, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Colyn Case wrote: >=20 > Pete, am I correct that that only works if your oil cooler door is open? >=20 > On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:24 PM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wrote: >=20 > That would be the one. Far superior to the blister approach IMHO. > =20 > Pete > =20 > From: Mark Sletten [mailto:mwsletten@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [LML] Re: High CHTs on #2, TSIO 550 > =20 > Is this the photo? > =20 > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/Message/61891.html?Language=3D > =20 > --Mark > =20 >=20 > On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wrote: > You need to install a scoop inside the oil cooler to get the air around an= d on the bottom back side of #2. If you look closely, you will notice that t= he depth of the gap between fins at the horizontal sides of each cylinder is= not symmetric. It has depth between them on one side of the cylinder, but n= ot on the other. On #2, the zero depth side is up against the oil cooler, s= o no air gets around to the bottom. I tried the blister idea some have used= , but found the scoop to be far superior. #2 is no longer my hottest, even o= n climbout - all cylinders are now within 20 degrees of each other. I poste= d photos of it a few years ago, but can't seem to find my original. >=20 > Pete >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Whalen [mailto:thomasjwhalen@att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:20 PM > Subject: High CHTs on #2, TSIO 550 >=20 > I have been fighting for over a year to try to keep the #2 CHT below 400 d= g on the climb. It has hit as high as 430. I leave it full rich and climb at= 140kts. When I level off, I then LOP and then #1 cools off. I have the Lanc= air baffles and RTV the gaps with the engine and have a good baffle seal. I e= ven covered my 3rd intercooler and that only helped a little. Behind the pro= p the baffle seals up to the top cowl but not down to the bottom. I have see= n it the reverse of that as well. If close the oil cooler door the CHT will d= rop 5dg at times. > This was a factory new engine. > Any suggestions? >=20 > Thomas Whalen > N444TW >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l > =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3FA2A23C-0A8C-4A7F-859C-C324C995B158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would suggest that a scoop helps bot= h with the door open and a little less with it cold.  Building the scoo= p - or bubble - in the front wall of the oil cooler box provides a pathway f= or airflow over the aft fins of the #2 cylinder with the door closed or open= .

John Barrett

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 10, 2014, at 1:56 PM, "pete@leapfrogventures.com" <pete@leapfrogventures.com> wrote:

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That is correct. However, the only time you n= eed to close the oil door is when temps are really cold, which means your CH= Ts are on the cool side as well, so it works just fine in both hot and cold s= cenarios. 

Pete 

On Aug 9, 2014, at 5:18 AM, C= olyn Case <colyncase@earthlink= .net> wrote:

Pete, am I= correct that that only works if your oil cooler door is open?

=
On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:24 PM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wrote:

That would be the one.  Far superior to t= he blister approach IMHO.
 
P= ete
 
From:=  Mark Sletten [mailto:mwsletten@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday= , August 07, 2014 2:00 PM
Subject:=  Re: [LML] Re: H= igh CHTs on #2, TSIO 550
 =
Is this the photo?
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&nbs= p;
--Mark
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On Thu, A= ug 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, pete@leapfrogventures.com <pete@leapfro= gventures.com> wrote:
You need to install= a scoop inside the oil cooler to get the air around and on the bottom back s= ide of #2.  If you look closely, you will notice that the depth of the g= ap between fins at the horizontal sides of each cylinder is not symmetric. &= nbsp;It has depth between them on one side of the cylinder, but not on the o= ther.  On #2, the zero depth side is up against the oil cooler, so no a= ir gets around to the bottom.  I tried the blister idea some have used,= but found the scoop to be far superior.  #2 is no longer my hottest, e= ven on climbout - all cylinders are now within 20 degrees of each other. &nb= sp;I posted photos of it a few years ago, but can't seem to find my original= .

Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Whalen [= mailto:thomasjwhalen@att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, Augus= t 06, 2014 1:20 PM
Subject: High CHTs on #2, TSIO 550

I have been f= ighting for over a year to try to keep the #2 CHT below 400 dg on the climb.= It has hit as high as 430. I leave it full rich and climb at 140kts. When I= level off, I then LOP and then #1 cools off. I have the Lancair baffles and= RTV the gaps with the engine and have a good baffle seal. I even covered my= 3rd intercooler and that only helped a little. Behind the prop the baffle s= eals up to the top cowl but not down to the bottom. I have seen it the rever= se of that as well. If close the oil cooler door the CHT will drop 5dg at ti= mes.
This was a factory new engine.
Any suggestions?

Thomas Wha= len
N444TW

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