X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:24:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from relay-hub202.domainlocalhost.com ([74.115.204.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 7061899 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:14:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.115.204.54; envelope-from=steve@oasissolutions.com Received: from MBX247.domain.local ([169.254.7.253]) by HUB202.domain.local ([192.168.68.46]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:14:18 -0400 From: Steve Richard X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] FAA says hangars no place for homebuilders Thread-Topic: [LML] FAA says hangars no place for homebuilders Thread-Index: AQHPrzgyQhlOl6UjXEa2ubbq6FLsTJu/PyJg X-Original-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:14:18 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <00E6FCF0E8570C489B916623571C8B20441BCAB4@MBX247.domain.local> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.64.27] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_00E6FCF0E8570C489B916623571C8B20441BCAB4MBX247domainloc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_00E6FCF0E8570C489B916623571C8B20441BCAB4MBX247domainloc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just posted this on the site (hopefully in the correct location): So the FAA would rather have the initial construction process done without = the benefit of experienced builders and fliers who are always on the airpor= t? That is counter to safety. I am somewhat stunned this proposed require= ment has seen the light of day, considering that the FAA is constantly tryi= ng to find ways to make experimental airplanes safer. I believe the propos= al should be changed to encourage builders to start and end their projects = at the airport. It should acknowledge that airports are the geographic cen= ter of most safety activities. Airports are where hundreds of years of exp= ertise in the form of A&P's, IA's and serial kit builders can be accessed a= lmost instantaneously. Would it not be better for a new builder to be near= all this expertise rather than in their garage at home without any on site= immediate counsel? The FAA knows how important airports are as evidence by the money that flow= s to their capital improvement programs. Do they not see that airport qual= ity and longevity will not work with money alone? And the greatest support= ers of airports are people who just invested thousands of dollars in a kit. Steve Richard From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2= high@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:30 AM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] FAA says hangars no place for homebuilders FAA Says Hangars No Place For Homebuilders [http://cdn.avweb.com/media/newspics/170/homebuilthangar.jpg] The FAA says most of the work involved in building an airplane is a "non-ae= ronautical use" and it has singled out homebuilders in a new proposed polic= y statement issued July 22. Policy on the Non-Aeronautical Use Of Airport H= angars (https://www.federal= register.gov/articles/2014/07/22/2014-17031/policy-on-the-non-aeronautical-= use-of-airport-hangars#h-13) says homebuilders will have to build the compo= nents of their projects elsewhere and can only move to a hangar for final a= ssembly. Comments are being accepted until Sept. 5 and can be submitted onl= ine (http://www.regulations.gov/#!home) = citing docket number FAA-2014-0463. The agency has devoted a separate secti= on in the proposed policy to explaining its stand. The essence is that the = principal role of a hangar is to supply enclosed storage for aircraft to gi= ve ready access to the runway. The FAA's argument is that bucking rivets on= a wing doesn't require a runway so it's not an aeronautical use. It also s= ays the policy has always been in force. "The FAA is not proposing any chan= ge to existing policy other than to clarify that final assembly of an aircr= aft, leading to the completion of the aircraft to a point where it can be t= axied, will be considered an aeronautical use," the proposed policy says. E= AA is aware of the proposed policy and staff are assessing it. The new policy statement is the result of stepped-up enforcement of the rul= es regarding uses of airport hangars. In dozens of audits conducted over th= e past two years, the agency has found hangars crammed with just about ever= ything but airplanes. Household goods, cars, even non-aviation related busi= nesses have been discovered. The FAA says that because federal funds are us= ed to build and maintain airports, the use of airport facilities for non-ae= ronautical uses amounts to a subsidy for those uses. In some cases the city= or county responsible for the airport was the violator. Auditors found pol= ice cars and other municipal assets tucked safely away in airport hangars. = The proposed policy will also clarify the incidental storage of non-aerona= utical items in hangars, meaning that a couch and a beer fridge will probab= ly be safe from the feds. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D With respect to experimental aircraft building, this is stupid on the face = of it. The FAA is supposedly concerned about aviation safety yet, they wil= l force builders to work in their mushroom cellar without any immediately a= vailable advice of other builders, pilots or aircraft shops located at thei= r airport. The FAA apparently no longer has objectives of promoting GA or = safety. Scott Krueger PS Please consider making comments to FAA as outlined above. Do not mentio= n your own airport because the data might be used by FA enforcement. PPS Uh, Final Assembly starts when first part is built/assembled. --_000_00E6FCF0E8570C489B916623571C8B20441BCAB4MBX247domainloc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just posted this on the= site (hopefully in the correct location):

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So the FAA would rather h= ave the initial construction process done without the benefit of experience= d builders and fliers who are always on the airport?  That is counter to safety.  I am somewhat stunned this proposed requiremen= t has seen the light of day, considering that the FAA is constantly trying = to find ways to make experimental airplanes safer.  I believe the prop= osal should be changed to encourage builders to start and end their projects at the airport.  It should acknowledg= e that airports are the geographic center of most safety activities.  = Airports are where hundreds of years of expertise in the form of A&P's,= IA's and serial kit builders can be accessed almost instantaneously.  Would it not be better for a new builder to = be near all this expertise rather than in their garage at home without any = on site immediate counsel?

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The FAA knows how importa= nt airports are as evidence by the money that flows to their capital improv= ement programs.  Do they not see that airport quality and longevity will not work with money alone?  And the greatest supporter= s of airports are people who just invested thousands of dollars in a kit.

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Steve Richard<= /span>

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From: Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:30 AM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] FAA says hangars no place for homebuilders=

 

FAA Says Hangars No Place For Homebuilders

The FAA says most of the work involved in building= an airplane is a "non-aeronautical use" and it has singled out h= omebuilders in a new proposed policy statement issued July 22. Policy on the Non-Aeronautical Use Of Airport Hangars (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/07/2= 2/2014-17031/policy-on-the-non-aeronautical-use-of-airport-hangars#h-13= ) says homebuilders will have to build the components of their projects else= where and can only move to a hangar for final assembly. Comments are being = accepted until Sept. 5 and can be submitted online (http://www.regulations.gov/#!home) citing docket number FAA-2014-0463. The agency has devoted a separate se= ction in the proposed policy to explaining its stand. The essence is that the principal role of a hangar is to supply= enclosed storage for aircraft to give ready access to the runway. The FAA'= s argument is that bucking rivets on a wing doesn't require a runway so it'= s not an aeronautical use. It also says the policy has always been in force. "The FAA is not proposing a= ny change to existing policy other than to clarify that final assembly of a= n aircraft, leading to the completion of the aircraft to a point where it c= an be taxied, will be considered an aeronautical use," the proposed policy says. EAA is aware of the proposed policy a= nd staff are assessing it.

The new policy statement is the result of stepped-= up enforcement of the rules regarding uses of airport hangars. In dozens of= audits conducted over the past two years, the agency has found hangars crammed with just about everything but airplanes. Househ= old goods, cars, even non-aviation related businesses have been discovered.= The FAA says that because federal funds are used to build and maintain air= ports, the use of airport facilities for non-aeronautical uses amounts to a subsidy for those uses. In some cas= es the city or county responsible for the airport was the violator. Auditor= s found police cars and other municipal assets tucked safely away in airpor= t hangars.  The proposed policy will also clarify the incidental storage of non-aeronautical items in hang= ars, meaning that a couch and a beer fridge will probably be safe from the = feds.

 

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With respect to experimental = aircraft building, this is stupid on the face of it.  The FAA is suppo= sedly concerned about aviation safety yet, they will force builders to work in their mushroom cellar without any immediately available advice = of other builders, pilots or aircraft shops located at their airport. = The FAA apparently no longer has objectives of promoting GA or safety= .

 

Scott Krueger 

 

PS Please consider making com= ments to FAA as outlined above.  Do not mention your own airport becau= se the data might be used by FA enforcement.

 

PPS Uh, Final Assembly starts= when first part is built/assembled.

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