Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #70416
From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Nicopress oval sleeves - copper, tin plated, or zinc plated?
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:23:58 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
John,
Technically you are still in compliance with the regs if you use uncoated copper sleeves.
In the applicability section of 43.1 it states"  (b)This part does not apply to-  (1)Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of certificate for that aircraft, or..........It goes on to list a few other non-applicable exceptions.

In general, it is wise to follow a manufacturers recommendation.  Typically they will have the most experience and knowledge pertaining to their product.  Sometimes other factors cause their recommendation to deviate from the best technical solution however - legal and liability concerns or financial considerations for example.   In the final analysis, if there is a solution that is as good or perhaps even better than that provided by a manufacturer, there is nothing preventing its implementation in our aircraft.  

Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360 std

On Monday, July 21, 2014 3:27 PM, John Cooper <snopercod@comporium.net> wrote:


Thanks for the data point, Gary. Certainly the marine industry is a much harsher corrosion environment than the inside of an airplane. There's so much conflicting information out there that it's hard to know whom to believe, but I can tell you one thing: Over the last few days I've learned a lot more about Nicopress sleeves than I really cared to know.

With a magnifying hood, I looked down the barrel of the copper sleeve that failed on my airplane and there was zero corrosion in there, nor did I see any on the cable end that pulled through. So I am convinced that my particular failure had nothing to do with corrosion, but was solely due to my using the wrong crimp tool. I am also convinced that plain copper sleeves work just fine with the SS cables. Several knowledgeable people have advised me "The plating just doesn't matter", and they're probably right.

There may be considerations other than corrosion due to dissimilar metals in contact with each other, but I have to think that the purpose of using one plating or another is to prevent galvanic (electrochemical) corrosion. I'm definitely not an expert in that field. but I do have a friend who is a retired chemical engineer. The two of us went over the Galvanic Table and agreed that bare copper is the most compatible to non-passivated 304 (active) stainless steel, followed closely by tin plate. The zinc plate was very anodic and just looking at that chart, one would say zinc wasn't a good choice. Go figure...

Yesterday, based upon our research, I was all set to just use the plain copper crimp sleeves as sold by Lancair. But then I read FAR 43.13(a) (methods, techniques, and practices), which states:

    …each person performing maintenance, alteration, or preventive maintenance on an aircraft, engine, propeller, or appliance shall use the methods, techniques, and practices prescribed in the current manufacturer's maintenance manual or Instructions for Continued Airworthiness prepared by its manufacturer, or other methods, techniques, or practices acceptable to the Administrator….

The manufacturer - Nicopress - specifies tin-plated sleeves for use on stainless cables. So does Mil-Spec MS51844E (SLEEVE, SWAGING-WIRE ROPE). So  does Kitplanes magazine. So does JR Clancy - a rigging company. So although theoretically the plain copper may be just as good or better, I have to go with what the "authorities" recommend. I guess my years working for NASA ruined me...

So I just bit the bullet and ordered 250 (minimum order) of the 428-3-VG Nicopress tin plated sleeves and am having them shipped from Burbank via UPS 2nd Day Air. Cost: $57 for the parts and $40 for the shipping. Sigh...

I suppose I can sell the unused ones on eBay or something...

Now that I'm in possession of the proper crimp tool that Tom loaned me, as well as the Go gauge, I've made a couple of test crimps and they came out just fine. So I'm moving on to some other puzzle now...

--John

P.S. Another thing I discovered while researching this is that the FAA is frowning upon the use of stainless control cables at all.

From: Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Nicopress oval sleeves - copper, tin plated, or zinc plated?
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 07:26:17 -0400
To: lml@lancaironline.net
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Both of these are kind of funny, since zinc plated sleeves have been used in the marine industry for at least the last 40 years, and they hold up pretty (read: very) well in a salt water environment, up to the strength of stainless 7x19 cable.

Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.

On 7/20/2014 5:26 AM, John Cooper wrote:
or zinc-plated sleeves are used on galvanized carbon steel cable. Tin-plated sleeves (or as noted previously, stainless steel sleeves) are used on stainless cable. There are no exceptions.
and...
Zinc-plated sleeves on stainless cable has been an obsolete recommendation for more than 40 years.



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