X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 11:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm28-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.158] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 6854611 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 May 2014 11:16:02 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.158; envelope-from=rjones2000@sbcglobal.net Received: from [98.138.101.132] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2014 15:15:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.44] by tm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2014 15:15:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2014 15:15:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 861536.91830.bm@smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: RmR2oI0VM1kjFHQzkdweeHe_p2R5QcmeviW.9iIU03fdXyw 9ZqrF3uztxVB4R17flUBqXmaCljloKk2jTtX63QHpVdhz1fYlVE9RQK0Lx1p 5pi51SHgpFb2.GvpRUISMGin..S0k1BI2fdjBbSW0wASTyUi6SqKDmkVEZdl FsPWCCBBDvzO1CkDmimL3q8bkHrA0SMDYD5PfgP.1oqieE.WP4JMAu3GMz0w sppCzFFnWsOCOrtC2dgbnbB2kbi794QwqDgr5gl4trcP3V3ATmz11Cc5Vvuw E94l7jHrm1kQUaZ5RPSc_pND4rhd15y6deLQZS4s1ftmXYJzw3fWVDWC51bw fEDwfMLtHnKa5.GqkoWCOPTS2BbgfQw3pudFvlwYEs8ApYrir5lSTeX46eKU f5Oai4UwlqgMTKVf3fgD3DF25YmYxvSZxEuB2JZqs6zUJ3b5FqSBD.xeneIH D7MAUcg1lfmNTw6htxkzcShle.f37TfK4NXv7FhzEXCxySphtuS5r3CTu6pS fNRu7fQ01_JGIAlLKNKpIThKEygGiO6q5LUSBKsw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: qom3qKeswBCS7l.XERKRbiNwk_aq93o2mA-- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.80] (rjones2000@108.251.69.218 with plain [63.250.193.228]) by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 May 2014 08:15:26 -0700 PDT From: Ron Jones Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DEEC92EC-8EC0-4692-9EAE-BE83A23C839A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy White Paper X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 08:15:24 -0700 References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11D167) --Apple-Mail-DEEC92EC-8EC0-4692-9EAE-BE83A23C839A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn, you are right. Those comments were over the top. Too strong, for sure.= I was just annoyed at the complaints directed at Valin's hard work and dedic= ation.=20 There is only one account of a successful landing with an unlatched canopy. I= suspect it was a combination of skill and luck that led to that outcome. I s= eriously doubt most Legacy pilots would survive such an event, myself includ= ed. I hope we don't lose another person due to an unlatched canopy. Valin's p= aper is a valiant effort toward that goal. I would sincerely hope that we di= scuss these issues rather than complain that they were brought up, and, furt= her, that the solution is simple. Clearly, it's not simple. Ron=20 Sent from my iPad > On May 1, 2014, at 4:39 AM, "Lynn Farnsworth" wro= te: >=20 > Ron, > =20 > Though I do have a Legacy, I don=E2=80=99t have a dog, so to speak, in thi= s fight. My Legacy=E2=80=99s canopy is hinged at the back and so, it is eith= er locked closed or gone. However, when I fly solo, I wear a parachute so I d= o have an escape plan of last resort. > =20 > The reason for my commenting was triggered was your statement, =E2=80=9C, I= just wish you would get out of Lancair's entirely. Not only are you an acci= dent just waiting to happen, you are driving up all our insurance rates with= such arrogant, short-sighted thinking.=E2=80=9D > =20 > So, My question to you is, what gives you the right to make such a stateme= nt?????? Just because someone doesn=E2=80=99t agree with your position you t= hink you have the moral high ground to disenfranchise him? I don=E2=80=99t t= hink so! > =20 > I race my Legacy. Perhaps you think I should not be allowed to do that bec= ause I might crash and DRIVE YOUR INSURANCE RATES UP??? Right? > =20 > I have no problem with the objective Valin and others are trying to achiev= e but I do have a problem with your thinking what the above quote indicates.= > =20 > Lynn Farnsworth > Super Legacy #235 > TSIO-550 Powered > Race #44 > MMO .6 Mach > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ron= Jones > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 1:11 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy White Paper > =20 > Valin, > =20 > Your Canopy Safety Issue Paper is outstanding. It should be read by all Le= gacy owners and pilots. >=20 >=20 > Your reply to the recent criticisms is equally well written and well reaso= ned. >=20 >=20 > For all of those who think that they are so sharp and such fantastic aviat= ors that their personal, outstanding use of checklists solves most ills, wel= l, I just wish you would get out of Lancair's entirely. Not only are you an a= ccident just waiting to happen, you are driving up all our insurance rates w= ith such arrogant, short-sighted thinking. >=20 >=20 > Is this to harsh? Maybe. But spouting all this nonsense about infallible c= hecklists really gets me annoyed. How many lives have to be lost before folk= s wise up? Of course checklists are wonderful tools and add to a safe flight= , but do they solve all ills? The record of Lancair accidents suggest otherw= ise. >=20 >=20 > I suggest we all pledge to more carefully follow our checklists. I also su= ggest we actually read this canopy paper and appreciate all the hard work an= d talent that it represents. It could save your life. >=20 >=20 > Ron Jones >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-DEEC92EC-8EC0-4692-9EAE-BE83A23C839A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lynn, you are right. Those comments we= re over the top. Too strong, for sure.

I was just a= nnoyed at the complaints directed at Valin's hard work and dedication. =

There is only one account of a successful landing w= ith an unlatched canopy. I suspect it was a combination of skill and luck th= at led to that outcome. I seriously doubt most Legacy pilots would survive s= uch an event, myself included. I hope we don't lose another person due to an= unlatched canopy. Valin's paper is a valiant effort toward that goal. I wou= ld sincerely hope that we discuss these issues rather than complain that the= y were brought up, and, further, that the solution is simple. Clearly, it's n= ot simple.

Ron 

Sent from my iPad
=

On May 1, 2014, at 4:39 AM, "Lynn Farnsworth" <farnsworth@charter.net> wrote:

=

Ron,

 

Though I do have a Legacy, I d= on=E2=80=99t have a dog, so to speak, in this fight. My Legacy=E2=80=99s can= opy is hinged at the back and so, it is either locked closed or gone. Howeve= r, when I fly solo, I wear a parachute so I do have an escape plan of last r= esort.

 

The reason for my commenting was triggered was your statement, =E2= =80=9C, I just wish you would get out of Lancair's entirely. Not only= are you an accident just waiting to happen, you are driving up all our insu= rance rates with such arrogant, short-sighted thinking.=E2=80=9D<= /p>

 

So, My= question to you is, what gives you the right to make such a statement??????=  Just because someone doesn=E2=80=99t agree with your position you thi= nk you have the moral high ground to disenfranchise him? I don=E2=80=99t thi= nk so!

 

I race my Legacy. Perhaps you think I should not be allowed to d= o that because I might crash and DRIVE YOUR INSURANCE RATES UP??? Right?

 

I have no problem with the objective Valin and others are trying to achiev= e but I do have a problem with your thinking what the above quote indicates.=

 

Lynn Farnsworth

Super Legacy #235=

TSIO-550 Powered

Race #44

MMO .6 Mach

 

 

 

From: Lancair M= ailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironli= ne.net] On Behalf Of Ron Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 3= 0, 2014 1:11 PM
To: lml@l= ancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy White Paper

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Valin,

 

Your Canopy Saf= ety Issue Paper is outstanding. It should be read by all Legacy owners and p= ilots.



Your reply to the recent criticisms is e= qually well written and well reasoned.



For all o= f those who think that they are so sharp and such fantastic aviators that th= eir personal, outstanding use of checklists solves most ills, well, I just w= ish you would get out of Lancair's entirely. Not only are you an accident ju= st waiting to happen, you are driving up all our insurance rates with such a= rrogant, short-sighted thinking.



Is this to har= sh? Maybe. But spouting all this nonsense about infallible checklists really= gets me annoyed. How many lives have to be lost before folks wise up? Of co= urse checklists are wonderful tools and add to a safe flight, but do they so= lve all ills? The record of Lancair accidents suggest otherwise.<= /p>



I suggest we all pledge to more carefully follow our check= lists. I also suggest we actually read this canopy paper and appreciate all t= he hard work and talent that it represents. It could save your life.



<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Jones


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