X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:19:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc3-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTP id 6806505 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:42:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.149; envelope-from=peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Received: from COL129-W54 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:41:54 -0700 X-TMN: [3RE/r9PK4kNkuluSfd9+/6GCiKdNa6Ma] X-Originating-Email: [peterpawaviation@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9fda17cc-3851-424e-90c4-6c0425063f26_" From: PETER WILLIAMS X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: ZERO GRAVITY: Adding an AOA X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:41:54 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2014 17:41:54.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[56DB3190:01CF4C3F] --_9fda17cc-3851-424e-90c4-6c0425063f26_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI THERE i am not familiar with the AOA you suggest=2C but the one we installed in m= y IVP required zero gravity. tie a string to a golf ball=3B hang it from the ceiling=3B WHEN it floats= =2C press the buttons. best done with two persons=3B one to fly=2C one to press buttons peter To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun=2C 30 Mar 2014 10:23:22 -0400 From: douglasbrunner@earthlink.net Subject: [LML] FW: Adding an AOA I am thinking of adding an AOA to my plane. The two models that I am look= ing at are the Bendix King KLR 10 (http://www.bendixking.com/Products/Fligh= t-Controls-Indicators/Indicators/KLR-10) and one of the Alpha Systems units= (http://www.alphasystemsaoa.com/) My question has to do with the calibrati= on. Both systems require a calibration at 3 points:1. On Ground2. = Optimum Alpha Angle3. Cruise The =93on ground=94 and =93cruise=94 ar= e self explanatory=2C however the definition of =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94 s= eems a little =93loosey-goosey=94 to me. Here are the definitions: Alpha S= ystems =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94=B7 Able to hold altitude =96 as cl= ose to 0 VSI as possible=2C zero sink=B7 Full aileron=2C elevator a= nd rudder control =96 no buffet or loss of control surface stability Bendix= King =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94=B7 Able to hold altitude=2C 0 Verti= cal Speed=2C zero sink (5 to 10 fpm climb OK)=B7 Full aileron=2C el= evator and rudder control=2C not in a buffet=2C pilot to identify the set p= oint bypitching back slowly to a pitch no longer able to climb but able to = hold altitude with fullcontrol of the airplane. First of all=2C since this = is a system meant to be used in landing (or at least that is how I will mos= tly use it)=2C I intend to calibrate the =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94 in landi= ng configuration (gear down=2C full flaps). However=2C determining when I = have =93full aileron=2C elevator and rudder control=94 isn=92t all that cle= ar to me. I am sure that I can tell when I have aileron=2C elevator and ru= dder control =96 but the =93full=94 part is less clear. Does that mean a f= ull control deflection? Not something I am anxious to try that close to st= all. Alternatively=2C I could just do a stall in landing configuration and = set the =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94 to 1.3 x stall. Advice? D. BrunnerN241DB = 750 hours = --_9fda17cc-3851-424e-90c4-6c0425063f26_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI THERE

i am = not familiar with the AOA you suggest=2C but the one we installed in my IVP= required zero gravity.

tie a string to a golf ball=3B hang it from the ceiling=3B WHEN it f= loats=2C press the buttons.

best done with two persons=3B one to fly=2C one to press butto= ns


peter



To: lml@lancaironline.netDate: Sun=2C 30 Mar 2014 10:23:22 -0400
From: douglasbrunner@earthlink= .net
Subject: [LML] FW: Adding an AOA

 =3B

I am thinking of adding = an AOA to my plane. =3B The two models that I am looking at are the Ben= dix King KLR 10 (http://www.bendixking.c= om/Products/Flight-Controls-Indicators/Indicators/KLR-10) and one of th= e Alpha Systems units (http://www.alphasystemsaoa.com/)

My questi= on has to do with the calibration. =3B Both systems require a calibrati= on at 3 points:

1. =3B =3B = =3B =3B =3B On Ground

2. =3B =3B =3B=  =3B =3B O= ptimum Alpha Angle

3. =3B =3B&n= bsp=3B =3B =3B Cruise

 =3B

The =93on ground=94 and =93cruise=94 are self explanat= ory=2C however the definition of =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94 seems a little = =93loosey-goosey=94 to me. =3B Here are the definitions:

&nb= sp=3B

Alpha Systems =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94

=B7 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&n= bsp=3B =3B =3B Able to hold altitude =96 as close to 0 VSI as possible=2C zero sink

=B7 =3B =3B=  =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Full aileron=2C elevator and rudder control = =96 no buffet or loss of control surface stability

 =3B

Bendix King =93= Optimum Alpha Angle=94

=B7 =3B =3B&nbs= p=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Able to hold altitude=2C 0 Vertical Speed=2C zer= o sink (5 to 10 fpm climb OK)

=B7=  =3B = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Full aileron=2C elevator and rudder contr= ol=2C not in a buffet=2C pilot to identify the set point by

pitching back slowly to a pitch = no longer able to climb but able to hold altitude with full

cont= rol of the airplane.

 =3B

First of all=2C since this is a system meant = to be used in landing (or at least that is how I will mostly use it)=2C I i= ntend to calibrate the =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94 in landing configuration (= gear down=2C full flaps). =3B However=2C determining when I have =93ful= l aileron=2C elevator and rudder control=94 isn=92t all that clear to me.&n= bsp=3B I am sure that I can tell when I have aileron=2C elevator and rudder= control =96 but the =93full=94 part is less clear. =3B Does that mean = a full control deflection? =3B Not something I am anxious to try that c= lose to stall.

 =3B

Alternatively=2C I could just do a stall in landin= g configuration and set the =93Optimum Alpha Angle=94 to 1.3 x stall.

 = =3B

Advice?

 =3B

<= span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=3Bline-height:115%=3B">D. Brunner

=

N241DB 750 hours

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