X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from argon.lunarpages.com ([216.97.227.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTPS id 6745756 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:56:04 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.97.227.30; envelope-from=thorn@starflight.aero Received: from 65-128-38-244.hlrn.qwest.net ([65.128.38.244]:49413 helo=VAlien2) by argon.lunarpages.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1WHdGv-0006Of-B3 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 09:55:27 -0800 From: "Valin & Allyson Thorn" X-Original-To: X-Original-Cc: "Valin & Allyson Thorn" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Legacy Accident History Update X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:55:20 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001cf30c0$6bc4afe0$434e0fa0$@starflight.aero> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CF3085.BF6F74D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQHPMAtmoZn5lMP/eUWgXfmdL3F5H5rDHAYw Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - argon.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - starflight.aero X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: argon.lunarpages.com: authenticated_id: thorn@starflight.aero This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CF3085.BF6F74D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks John, I hadn't found that report from the Australian Transportation Safety Board. Makes me wonder if the other crash on takeoff in Australia a few months ago doesn't have the same open canopy cause. BTW, on the Austrian (not Australian) canopy open crash, I heard from Christian Meier who knows the pilot of the airplane. He said the German to English translation of the news report was poor. The pilot was Wolfgang Mascheck and that the canopy was not latched before takeoff, the plane was difficult to fly, he made a hard landing and was ejected out of the plane. Wolfgang broke both of his legs and some bones in his face but has fortunately fully recovered and still walks on both his feet. The location of the accident was Hohenems, Austria, airport LOIH. This week I'm going to workup a write up for this unlatched canopy "Catastrophic Hazard" (as we categorize things like this at NASA) for the Legacy outlining the appropriate Hazard Controls (more NASA speak) and how they can be implemented. I'll send it to the LML for review and comments and then create a webpage for people to access it so they have it as a resource for implementing their own effective controls for this Lancair Legacy catastrophic hazard. Valin From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 1:19 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Accident History Update Hi Valin, You might want to adjust Accident #33 in Geraldton Australia; this was a "canopy open event". See link below. Note: final ATSB report not yet available. http://atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2013/aair/ao-2013-158. aspx Regards, John John N G Smith Tel / fax: +61-8-9385-8891 Mobile: +61-409-372-975 Email: john@jjts.net.au From: Valin & Allyson Thorn < thorn@starflight.aero> Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List < lml@lancaironline.net> Date: Friday, 21 February 2014 8:59 PM To: < lml@lancaironline.net> Subject: [LML] Legacy Accident History Update We hope to have the first flight of our Legacy later this year and was surprised so many underwriters were no longer insuring the Legacy. This motivated me to relook at the accident record and update the summary table I made and sent to the LML when looking at this five years ago. See the updated table below. The accident record is disappointing and this probably hasn't even captured all the accidents worldwide. If anyone knows of any not shown here please let me know. I found a total of 18 fatal accidents with 27 fatalities since the first (non-fatal) accident in September 2003. So there is an average of almost 2 fatal accidents per year since then. I estimate approximately 150 flying Lancair Legacy airplanes (does anyone have a confirmed number?). With that as a basis, and just counting the years since the first accident, there's an annual probability of any particular Legacy having a fatal accident of about 1 in 80. Much can be learned from looking at general aviation accident records and statistics to make us safer/better pilots - but, looking at the specific record of the airplane you're flying and/or building is most sobering. Here are some of my take-a-ways from the Legacy's accident history. 1. Get transition and regular refresher training from experienced Legacy flight instructors - maintain proficiency. 2. Install and use an angle of attack sensor for all flight phases. 3. Install a canopy down and latched indicator - simple, two micro-switches and a light. If the canopy does open in flight, ignore the junk blowing around the cockpit, fly the airplane, get some good altitude, and workout the most stable speed to fly it back to landing. Install canopy opening/closing mod that doesn't allow the canopy to go all the way down unless latched (see Don Barnes' website, builder tips) 4. Practice, practice, practice engine out failures and glides to emergency landings. 5. Care for and maintain your engine like your life depends on it - since it does. It's beyond sad that so many of our pilot brothers have lost their lives flying the Legacy. This accident history illustrates clearly higher risk compared to the typical personal airplane. But from the reports of veteran Legacy flyers, I hold on to the belief that the Legacy is an amazing, fast, and beautiful airplane that just demands some unique handling and discipline beyond the typical personal airplane to fly it safely... Valin Thorn Legacy Project Boulder, Colorado Lancair Legacy Accident & Incident Record February 2014 Accident Number Summary Description Event Location Make / Model Regist. Fatalities Total Deaths to Date Date Number 34 Stall just after takeoff 10/25/2013 Shepparton, Australia Lancair Legacy VH-ICZ 2 27 33 Stall just after takeoff 9/18/2013 Geraldton, Australia Lancair Legacy VH-ALP 1 25 32 IMC loss of fuel pressure then smoke in cockpit, crashed 4 miles short of airport 3/31/2013 Winston-Salem, NC Lancair Legacy 2 24 31 Lost control on landing, broke in three pieces 5/1/2012 Animas Airpark, Durango, CO Campbell Lancair Legacy N12KX 0 22 30 Training flight, crashed into terrain, cause unknown 3/10/2012 Sao Paulo Brazil Lancair Legacy PT-ZZR 2 22 29 Collision with power lines 25 ft high, 1.2 miles from departure runway in night VMC. 3/1/2012 Belen, NM Hemp Lancair Legacy N273TE 2 20 28 Bounced landing, ran off runway, substantial damage 10/5/2011 KPLK, Bransom, MO Evans Lancair Legacy N92SX 0 18 27 Impacted snow covered mountain at 6500 ft MSL in VMC under unknown circumstances, 78 yr old pilot 5/18/2011 Pioneer, CA Cameron Lancair Legacy N121J 1 18 26 Unnecessary forced landing, crashed 3 miles short of runway. Ran left tank dry but right tank full of fuel, selector found in wreckage set for left tank. 5/6/2011 Richlands, NC Peter Hebert Lancair Legacy N23PH 2 17 25 Early morning night landing at Kansas City Int'l, landed in grass between taxi ways and struck airport sign, substantial damage 5/2/2011 Kanasa City, MO Prichard Lancair Legacy N50KP 0 15 24 Nose gear collapse on landing, minor damage 2/6/2011 San Jose Airport, CA Bereznak Lancair Legacy N817CB 0 15 23 Deice sys failure, ice on aircraft, left wing dipped abruptly on landing, gear collapsed, substantial damage 12/25/2010 Oakland/Troy Airport, MI Bowers Harbor Legacy N384AS 0 15 22 Engine failure, forced landing, pax injured 9/12/2010 Okahandja, Namibia Onderstall Lancair Legacy ZU-FCY 0 15 21 Take off in squall conditions with 20 kt crosswind gusting to 32 kts, substantial damage 6/25/2010 Burns, OR Meyer Lancair Legacy N29MM 0 15 20 Engine failure from oil starvation, stall crash on forced landing 11/21/2009 Watsonville, CA Budd Lancair Legacy N7JX 1 15 19 Pilot reports very difficult aircraft pitch control from open canopy on takeoff, crash landed short of runway returning to land 2/6/2009 Longmont, CO Lancair Legacy N939CB 0 14 18 Ran off end of runway on hot/fast landing, runway 5841 ft long 11/2/2008 Socorro, NM Hemp Lancair Legacy N273TE 0 14 17 Takeoff without canopy latched. Pilot likely impaired by pain med's and obstructive sleep apnea. 10/18/2008 Parowan, UT Heisler Lancair Legacy N151HT 1 14 16 Stall at low altitude on final at Oshkosh AirVenture 7/31/2008 OSHKOSH, WI Moser Lancair Legacy FG N515RB 2 13 15 Engine mechanical failure, forced landing short of runway, sheared off main wheels, failed connecting rod not from engine OEM 6/8/2008 Bend, OR Lancair Prototype Legacy 2000 N199L 0 11 14 Fuel exhaustion during touch and go practice, stall/spin at low altitude on aggressive turn toward runway 5/30/2008 Murrieta, CA Poulin L/Cullen D Lancair Legacy FG N109DC 2 11 13 Stall, crash on takeoff. Distracted, challenged by open canopy on take off 4/13/2008 Lakeland, FL Dayon Thomas Lancair Legacy N1177M 1 9 12 Smoke in cockpit, possible fire onboard, forced landing in rocky terrain 4/1/2008 Krugersdorp Game Reserve, South Africa Lancair Legacy ZU-EFC 1 8 11 Aircraft veered off course after missed ILS approach crashing on road 4500 ft from approach end of runway 2/16/2008 Portland, OR Legacy FG 1 7 10 Engine failure on first flight, possible cause mixture control attachment loose 4/14/2007 Fulton, NY Romeo Lancair Legacy RG N45FR 2 6 9 Take off with canopy unlatched, lost control, severe crash and injuries 8/26/2005 Ems, Austria Hohenemser Lancair Legacy N345MW 0 4 8 Stall spin, factory Legacy FG 8/15/2005 Madras, OR Lancair Legacy FG Prototype N359L 2 4 7 Fuel exhaustion, forced landing, mis-calibrated fuel sensors 8/14/2005 Groveland, CA Barnes Lancair Legacy N508DB 0 2 6 Engine failure, cause unknown, forced landing in rocky field, landing gear separated, post-crash fire destroyed airplane 5/1/2005 Nacogdoches, TX Lancair Legacy N204RH 0 2 5 Gear not extended for landing 4/8/2005 Bend, OR Shannon Lancair Legacy N115YP 0 2 4 Wing skin on upper left stub wing separated in flight, landed safely, examination showed poor bond 9/12/2004 Cambridge, OH Lancair Legacy 0 2 3 Engine failure with continuous warning signs months before total failure. Super-charged engine. Engine tear down showed one piston burned through and other heat damage. Landing options overflown. Crashed in city. 8/1/2004 Madison, WI Knoepflein Lancair Legacy N98SN 1 2 2 Flew into Level 4 & 5 thunderstorms with ATC assistance 4/23/2004 Oakland, TN Durr Lancair Legacy N511WD 1 1 1 Takeoff with pitot covered, takeoff aborted, ran off end of 2600 ft runway, substantial damage 9/19/2003 Kimberling City, MO Brice Lancair Legacy N27RM 0 0 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CF3085.BF6F74D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks John, I hadn’t found that report from = the Australian Transportation Safety Board.  Makes me wonder if the other = crash on takeoff in Australia a few months ago doesn’t have the = same open canopy cause.

 

BTW, on the Austrian (not Australian) canopy open = crash, I heard from Christian Meier who knows the pilot of the = airplane.  He said the = German to English translation of the news report was poor.   The pilot was Wolfgang Mascheck and that the canopy was not latched = before takeoff, the plane was difficult to fly, he made a hard landing = and was ejected out of the plane.  = Wolfgang broke both of his legs and some bones in his face but = has fortunately fully recovered and still walks on both his feet.  The location of the accident = was Hohenems, Austria, airport = LOIH.

 

This week I’m going to workup a write up for this unlatched canopy = “Catastrophic Hazard” (as we categorize things like this at = NASA) for the Legacy outlining the appropriate Hazard Controls (more = NASA speak) and how they can be implemented.  I’ll send it to the LML = for review and comments and then create a webpage for people to access = it so they have it as a resource for implementing their own effective = controls for this Lancair Legacy catastrophic = hazard.

 

Valin

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of John Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 = 1:19 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Legacy Accident History Update

 

Hi = Valin,

 

You might want to adjust = Accident #33 in Geraldton Australia;  this was a "canopy open = event".

See link below. Note: final = ATSB report not yet available.

 

 

 

 

Regards,


John


John N G Smith
Tel / = fax:    +61-8-9385-8891
Mobile: =      +61-409-372-975
Email: =         john@jjts.net.au

 

From: = Valin & Allyson Thorn <thorn@starflight.aero>
Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List = <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Friday, 21 February 2014 8:59 = PM
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Legacy Accident = History Update

 

We hope to have the first flight of = our Legacy later this year and was surprised so many underwriters were = no longer insuring the Legacy.  = This motivated me to relook at the accident record and update the = summary table I made and sent to the LML when looking at this five years = ago.  See the updated table = below.   The accident = record is disappointing and this probably hasn’t even captured all = the accidents worldwide.  = If anyone knows of any not shown here please let me = know.

 

I found a total of 18 fatal = accidents with 27 fatalities since the first (non-fatal) accident in = September 2003.  So there = is an average of almost 2 fatal accidents per year since then.  I estimate approximately 150 = flying Lancair Legacy airplanes (does anyone have a confirmed = number?).  With that as a = basis, and just counting the years since the first accident, = there’s an annual probability of any particular Legacy having a = fatal accident of about 1 in 80.  =

 

Much can be learned from looking at = general aviation accident records and statistics to make us safer/better = pilots – but, looking at the specific record of the airplane = you’re flying and/or building is most sobering… 

 

Here are some of my take-a-ways from = the Legacy’s accident history…

 

1.     Get transition and regular refresher = training from experienced Legacy flight instructors – maintain = proficiency.

2.     Install and use an angle of attack = sensor for all flight phases.

3.     Install a canopy down and latched = indicator – simple, two micro-switches and a light.  If the canopy does open in = flight, ignore the junk blowing around the cockpit, fly the airplane, = get some good altitude, and workout the most stable speed to fly it back = to landing.  Install canopy = opening/closing mod that doesn’t allow the canopy to go all the = way down unless latched (see Don Barnes’ website, builder = tips)

4.     Practice, practice, practice engine = out failures and glides to emergency landings.

5.     Care for and maintain your engine = like your life depends on it – since it does.

 

It’s beyond sad that so many = of our pilot brothers have lost their lives flying the Legacy.  This accident history = illustrates clearly higher risk compared to the typical personal = airplane.  But from the = reports of veteran Legacy flyers, I hold on to the belief that the = Legacy is an amazing, fast, and beautiful airplane that just demands = some unique handling and discipline beyond the typical personal airplane = to fly it safely...  =

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Boulder, Colorado

 

 

 

Location

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Number

<= /tr>

Lancair Legacy Accident = & Incident Record

 

 

 

 

 

February = 2014

 

 

 

 

 

 

Accident = Number

Summary = Description

Event

Make / = Model

Regist.

Fatalities

Total Deaths to = Date

Date

34

Stall just after = takeoff

10/25/2013

Shepparton, = Australia

Lancair Legacy =  

VH-ICZ

2

27

33

Stall just after = takeoff

9/18/2013

Geraldton, = Australia

Lancair Legacy =  

VH-ALP

1

25

32

IMC loss of fuel pressure = then smoke in cockpit, crashed 4 miles short of = airport

3/31/2013

Winston-Salem, = NC

Lancair Legacy =  

 

2

24

31

Lost control on landing, = broke in three pieces

5/1/2012=

Animas Airpark, =
Durango, CO

Campbell Lancair = Legacy

N12KX

0

22

30

Training flight, crashed = into terrain, cause unknown

3/10/2012

Sao Paulo = Brazil

Lancair Legacy =  

PT-ZZR

2

22

29

Collision with power = lines 25 ft high, 1.2 miles from departure runway in night = VMC.

3/1/2012=

Belen, = NM

Hemp Lancair = Legacy

N273TE =  

2

20

28

Bounced landing, ran off = runway, substantial damage

10/5/2011

KPLK, Bransom, = MO

Evans Lancair = Legacy

N92SX

0

18

27

Impacted snow covered = mountain at 6500 ft MSL in VMC under unknown circumstances, 78 yr old = pilot

5/18/2011

Pioneer, = CA

Cameron Lancair = Legacy

N121J

1

18

26

Unnecessary forced = landing, crashed 3 miles short of runway.  Ran left tank dry but right = tank full of fuel, selector found in wreckage set for left = tank.

5/6/2011=

Richlands, = NC

Peter Hebert Lancair = Legacy

N23PH

2

17

25

Early morning night = landing at Kansas City Int'l, landed in grass between taxi ways and = struck airport sign, substantial damage

5/2/2011=

Kanasa City, = MO

Prichard Lancair = Legacy

N50KP

0

15

24

Nose gear collapse on = landing, minor damage

2/6/2011=

San Jose Airport, = CA

Bereznak Lancair = Legacy

N817CB

0

15

23

Deice sys failure, ice on = aircraft, left wing dipped abruptly on landing, gear collapsed, = substantial damage

12/25/2010

Oakland/Troy Airport, = MI

Bowers Harbor = Legacy

N384AS

0

15

22

Engine failure, forced = landing, pax injured

9/12/2010

Okahandja, = Namibia

Onderstall Lancair = Legacy

ZU-FCY

0

15

21

Take off in squall = conditions with 20 kt crosswind gusting to 32 kts, substantial = damage

6/25/2010

Burns, = OR

Meyer Lancair = Legacy

N29MM

0

15

20

Engine failure from oil = starvation, stall crash on forced landing

11/21/2009

Watsonville, = CA

Budd Lancair = Legacy

N7JX

=

1

15

19

Pilot reports very = difficult aircraft pitch control from open canopy on takeoff, crash = landed short of runway returning to land

2/6/2009=

Longmont, = CO

Lancair Legacy =  

N939CB

0

14

18

Ran off end of runway on = hot/fast landing, runway 5841 ft long

11/2/2008 =  

Socorro, NM =  

Hemp Lancair = Legacy

N273TE =  

0

14

17

Takeoff without canopy = latched.  Pilot likely = impaired by pain med's and obstructive sleep apnea. =

10/18/2008 =  

Parowan, UT =  

Heisler Lancair Legacy =  

N151HT =  

1

14

16

Stall at low altitude on = final at Oshkosh AirVenture

7/31/2008 =  

OSHKOSH, = WI

Moser Lancair Legacy = FG

N515RB =  

2

13

15

Engine mechanical = failure, forced landing short of runway, sheared off main wheels, failed = connecting rod not from engine OEM

6/8/2008 =  

Bend, OR =  

Lancair Prototype Legacy = 2000  

N199L =  

0

11

14

Fuel exhaustion during = touch and go practice, stall/spin at low altitude on aggressive turn = toward runway

5/30/2008 =  

Murrieta, CA =  

Poulin L/Cullen D Lancair = Legacy  FG

N109DC =  

2

11

13

Stall, crash on = takeoff.  Distracted, = challenged by open canopy on take off

4/13/2008 =  

Lakeland, FL =  

Dayon Thomas Lancair = Legacy  

N1177M =  

1

9

12

Smoke in cockpit, = possible fire onboard, forced landing in rocky = terrain

4/1/2008=

Krugersdorp Game Reserve, = South Africa

Lancair Legacy =  

ZU-EFC

1

8

11

Aircraft veered off = course after missed ILS approach crashing on road 4500 ft from approach = end of runway

2/16/2008

Portland, = OR

Legacy = FG

 

1

7

10

Engine failure on first = flight, possible cause mixture control attachment = loose

4/14/2007 =  

Fulton, NY =  

Romeo Lancair Legacy RG =  

N45FR =  

2

6

9

Take off with canopy = unlatched, lost control, severe crash and = injuries

8/26/2005

Ems, = Austria

Hohenemser Lancair = Legacy

N345MW

0

4

8

Stall spin, factory = Legacy FG

8/15/2005 =  

Madras, OR =  

Lancair Legacy FG = Prototype

N359L =  

2

4

7

Fuel exhaustion, forced = landing, mis-calibrated fuel sensors

8/14/2005 =  

Groveland, CA =  

Barnes Lancair Legacy =  

N508DB =  

0

2

6

Engine failure, cause = unknown, forced landing in rocky field, landing gear separated, = post-crash fire destroyed airplane

5/1/2005 =  

Nacogdoches, TX =  

Lancair Legacy =  

N204RH =  

0

2

5

Gear not extended for = landing

4/8/2005 =  

Bend, OR =  

Shannon Lancair = Legacy

N115YP =  

0

2

4

Wing skin on upper left = stub wing separated in flight, landed safely, examination showed poor = bond

9/12/2004

Cambridge, = OH

Lancair Legacy =  

 

0

2

3

Engine failure with = continuous warning signs months before total failure.  Super-charged engine.  Engine tear down showed one = piston burned through and other heat damage.  Landing options overflown. = Crashed in city.

8/1/2004 =  

Madison, WI =  

Knoepflein Lancair = Legacy

N98SN =  

1

2

2

Flew into Level 4 & 5 = thunderstorms with ATC assistance

4/23/2004 =  

Oakland, TN =  

Durr Lancair Legacy =  

N511WD =  

1

1

1

Takeoff with pitot = covered, takeoff aborted, ran off end of 2600 ft runway, substantial = damage

9/19/2003 =  

Kimberling City, MO =  

Brice Lancair Legacy =  

N27RM =  

0

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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