X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com ([61.9.168.140] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTP id 6744146 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:48:37 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=61.9.168.140; envelope-from=john@jjts.net.au Received: from nskntcmgw08p ([61.9.169.168]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20140222014802.BGNC26993.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw08p> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 01:48:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.15.34] ([110.142.219.220]) by nskntcmgw08p with BigPond Outbound id VDnu1n00R4luXCm01Dnwzi; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 01:48:02 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=b8MwE66x c=1 sm=1 a=6xIvA0WTx9AVOJiHBW+VeQ==:17 a=LEH2DxGZ4DAA:10 a=2nHeyF6ApQsA:10 a=mCSqThwqAAAA:8 a=KnqIwpNeDWUA:10 a=7FjXhIFjAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=jjqUt_clAAAA:8 a=OX4aPSVWioUY3DqSwo0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rnYgdqcAs4AA:10 a=-ZBvsNeBbbMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=-2pKXCwwOqSl6eNTUKgA:9 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=6UIaq3Bcl8oA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=NTuExn4fhMwA:10 a=-g1Xah-4Jfbli6BA:21 a=YWE_FBys_EwdxgCi:21 a=Wf5ujJDUp1oG-_GM:21 a=6xIvA0WTx9AVOJiHBW+VeQ==:117 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 X-Original-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:47:53 +0800 Subject: Re: [LML] Legacy Accident History Update From: John Smith X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Legacy Accident History Update References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3475907278_362265" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3475907278_362265 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Valin, You might want to adjust Accident #33 in Geraldton Australia; this was a "canopy open event". See link below. Note: final ATSB report not yet available. http://atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2013/aair/ao-2013-158= . aspx Regards, John =20 John N G Smith Tel / fax: +61-8-9385-8891 Mobile: +61-409-372-975 Email: john@jjts.net.au From: Valin & Allyson Thorn Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List Date: Friday, 21 February 2014 8:59 PM To: Subject: [LML] Legacy Accident History Update > We hope to have the first flight of our Legacy later this year and was > surprised so many underwriters were no longer insuring the Legacy. This > motivated me to relook at the accident record and update the summary tabl= e I > made and sent to the LML when looking at this five years ago. See the up= dated > table below. The accident record is disappointing and this probably has= n=B9t > even captured all the accidents worldwide. If anyone knows of any not sh= own > here please let me know. > =20 > I found a total of 18 fatal accidents with 27 fatalities since the first > (non-fatal) accident in September 2003. So there is an average of almost= 2 > fatal accidents per year since then. I estimate approximately 150 flying > Lancair Legacy airplanes (does anyone have a confirmed number?). With th= at as > a basis, and just counting the years since the first accident, there=B9s an > annual probability of any particular Legacy having a fatal accident of ab= out 1 > in 80. =20 > =20 > Much can be learned from looking at general aviation accident records and > statistics to make us safer/better pilots =AD but, looking at the specific > record of the airplane you=B9re flying and/or building is most sobering=8A > =20 > Here are some of my take-a-ways from the Legacy=B9s accident history=8A > =20 > 1. Get transition and regular refresher training from experienced Le= gacy > flight instructors =AD maintain proficiency. >=20 > 2. Install and use an angle of attack sensor for all flight phases. >=20 > 3. Install a canopy down and latched indicator =AD simple, two > micro-switches and a light. If the canopy does open in flight, ignore th= e > junk blowing around the cockpit, fly the airplane, get some good altitude= , and > workout the most stable speed to fly it back to landing. Install canopy > opening/closing mod that doesn=B9t allow the canopy to go all the way down > unless latched (see Don Barnes=B9 website, builder tips) >=20 > 4. Practice, practice, practice engine out failures and glides to > emergency landings. >=20 > 5. Care for and maintain your engine like your life depends on it =AD = since > it does. >=20 > =20 > It=B9s beyond sad that so many of our pilot brothers have lost their lives > flying the Legacy. This accident history illustrates clearly higher risk > compared to the typical personal airplane. But from the reports of veter= an > Legacy flyers, I hold on to the belief that the Legacy is an amazing, fas= t, > and beautiful airplane that just demands some unique handling and discipl= ine > beyond the typical personal airplane to fly it safely... > =20 > Valin Thorn > Legacy Project > Boulder, Colorado > =20 > =20 > =20 > Lancair Legacy Accident & Incident Record > February 2014 =20 > Accident NumberSummary DescriptionEventLocationMake / > ModelRegist.FatalitiesTotal Deaths to Date > DateNumber > 34Stall just after takeoff10/25/2013Shepparton, AustraliaLancair Legacy > VH-ICZ227 > 33Stall just after takeoff9/18/2013Geraldton, AustraliaLancair Legacy > VH-ALP125 > 32IMC loss of fuel pressure then smoke in cockpit, crashed 4 miles short = of > airport3/31/2013Winston-Salem, NCLancair Legacy 224 > 31Lost control on landing, broke in three pieces5/1/2012Animas Airpark, > Durango, COCampbell Lancair LegacyN12KX022 > 30Training flight, crashed into terrain, cause unknown3/10/2012Sao Paulo > BrazilLancair Legacy PT-ZZR222 > 29Collision with power lines 25 ft high, 1.2 miles from departure runway = in > night VMC.3/1/2012Belen, NMHemp Lancair LegacyN273TE 220 > 28Bounced landing, ran off runway, substantial damage10/5/2011KPLK, Brans= om, > MOEvans Lancair LegacyN92SX018 > 27Impacted snow covered mountain at 6500 ft MSL in VMC under unknown > circumstances, 78 yr old pilot5/18/2011Pioneer, CACameron Lancair > LegacyN121J118 > 26Unnecessary forced landing, crashed 3 miles short of runway. Ran left = tank > dry but right tank full of fuel, selector found in wreckage set for left > tank.5/6/2011Richlands, NCPeter Hebert Lancair LegacyN23PH217 > 25Early morning night landing at Kansas City Int'l, landed in grass betwe= en > taxi ways and struck airport sign, substantial damage5/2/2011Kanasa City, > MOPrichard Lancair LegacyN50KP015 > 24Nose gear collapse on landing, minor damage2/6/2011San Jose Airport, > CABereznak Lancair LegacyN817CB015 > 23Deice sys failure, ice on aircraft, left wing dipped abruptly on landin= g, > gear collapsed, substantial damage12/25/2010Oakland/Troy Airport, MIBower= s > Harbor LegacyN384AS015 > 22Engine failure, forced landing, pax injured9/12/2010Okahandja, > NamibiaOnderstall Lancair LegacyZU-FCY015 > 21Take off in squall conditions with 20 kt crosswind gusting to 32 kts, > substantial damage6/25/2010Burns, ORMeyer Lancair LegacyN29MM015 > 20Engine failure from oil starvation, stall crash on forced > landing11/21/2009Watsonville, CABudd Lancair LegacyN7JX115 > 19Pilot reports very difficult aircraft pitch control from open canopy on > takeoff, crash landed short of runway returning to land2/6/2009Longmont, > COLancair Legacy N939CB014 > 18Ran off end of runway on hot/fast landing, runway 5841 ft long11/2/2008 > Socorro, NM Hemp Lancair LegacyN273TE 014 > 17Takeoff without canopy latched. Pilot likely impaired by pain med's an= d > obstructive sleep apnea. 10/18/2008 Parowan, UT Heisler Lancair Legacy > N151HT 114 > 16Stall at low altitude on final at Oshkosh AirVenture7/31/2008 OSHKOSH, > WIMoser Lancair Legacy FGN515RB 213 > 15Engine mechanical failure, forced landing short of runway, sheared off = main > wheels, failed connecting rod not from engine OEM6/8/2008 Bend, OR Lanc= air > Prototype Legacy 2000 N199L 011 > 14Fuel exhaustion during touch and go practice, stall/spin at low altitud= e on > aggressive turn toward runway5/30/2008 Murrieta, CA Poulin L/Cullen D > Lancair Legacy FGN109DC 211 > 13Stall, crash on takeoff. Distracted, challenged by open canopy on take > off4/13/2008 Lakeland, FL Dayon Thomas Lancair Legacy N1177M 19 > 12Smoke in cockpit, possible fire onboard, forced landing in rocky > terrain4/1/2008Krugersdorp Game Reserve, South AfricaLancair Legacy ZU-E= FC18 > 11Aircraft veered off course after missed ILS approach crashing on road 4= 500 > ft from approach end of runway2/16/2008Portland, ORLegacy FG 17 > 10Engine failure on first flight, possible cause mixture control attachme= nt > loose4/14/2007 Fulton, NY Romeo Lancair Legacy RG N45FR 26 > 9Take off with canopy unlatched, lost control, severe crash and > injuries8/26/2005Ems, AustriaHohenemser Lancair LegacyN345MW04 > 8Stall spin, factory Legacy FG8/15/2005 Madras, OR Lancair Legacy FG > PrototypeN359L 24 > 7Fuel exhaustion, forced landing, mis-calibrated fuel sensors8/14/2005 > Groveland, CA Barnes Lancair Legacy N508DB 02 > 6Engine failure, cause unknown, forced landing in rocky field, landing ge= ar > separated, post-crash fire destroyed airplane5/1/2005 Nacogdoches, TX > Lancair Legacy N204RH 02 > 5Gear not extended for landing4/8/2005 Bend, OR Shannon Lancair LegacyN= 115YP > 02 > 4Wing skin on upper left stub wing separated in flight, landed safely, > examination showed poor bond9/12/2004Cambridge, OHLancair Legacy 02 > 3Engine failure with continuous warning signs months before total failure= . > Super-charged engine. Engine tear down showed one piston burned through = and > other heat damage. Landing options overflown. Crashed in city.8/1/2004 > Madison, WI Knoepflein Lancair LegacyN98SN 12 > 2Flew into Level 4 & 5 thunderstorms with ATC assistance4/23/2004 Oaklan= d, TN > Durr Lancair Legacy N511WD 11 > 1Takeoff with pitot covered, takeoff aborted, ran off end of 2600 ft runw= ay, > substantial damage9/19/2003 Kimberling City, MO Brice Lancair Legacy N= 27RM > 00 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 --B_3475907278_362265 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Valin,
You might want to adjust Accident #33 in Geraldton Australia; &n= bsp;this was a "canopy open event".
See link below. Note: final AT= SB report not yet available.

http://atsb.gov.au/pub= lications/investigation_reports/2013/aair/ao-2013-158.aspx



Regards,

John
John N G Smith
Tel / fax:    +61-8-9385-8891
Mobile:      +61-409-372-975
Email:         john@jjts.net.au
=

From: Valin & Allyson Thorn <tho= rn@starflight.aero>
Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lanca= ironline.net>
Date: Friday,= 21 February 2014 8:59 PM
To: <= lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Legacy Accident History Up= date

=
=

We hope to have the first flight of our Legacy = later this year and was surprised so many underwriters were no longer insuri= ng the Legacy.  This motivated me= to relook at the accident record and update the summary table I made and se= nt to the LML when looking at this five years ago.  See the updated table below.   The accident record is disappointing and this probably= hasn’t even captured all the accidents worldwide.  If anyone knows of any not shown here please let me= know.

 

I foun= d a total of 18 fatal accidents with 27 fatalities since the first (non-fata= l) accident in September 2003.  S= o there is an average of almost 2 fatal accidents per year since then.  I estimate approximately 150 flying L= ancair Legacy airplanes (does anyone have a confirmed number?).  With that as a basis, and just counting the = years since the first accident, there’s an annual probability of any p= articular Legacy having a fatal accident of about 1 in 80. 

 

Much can be learned from looking at general aviation accident= records and statistics to make us safer/better pilots – but, looking = at the specific record of the airplane you’re flying and/or building i= s most sobering… 

 <= /span>

Here are some of my t= ake-a-ways from the Legacy’s accident history…=

 

1.  &nbs= p;   Ge= t transition and regular refresher training from experienced Legacy flight i= nstructors – maintain proficiency.

2.      = Install and use a= n angle of attack sensor for all flight phases.

3.    =   Install a = canopy down and latched indicator – simple, two micro-switches and a l= ight.  If the canopy does open in= flight, ignore the junk blowing around the cockpit, fly the airplane, get s= ome good altitude, and workout the most stable speed to fly it back to landi= ng.  Install canopy opening/closi= ng mod that doesn’t allow the canopy to go all the way down unless lat= ched (see Don Barnes’ website, builder tips)

<= !--[if !supportLists]-->4.   &nb= sp;  Practic= e, practice, practice engine out failures and glides to emergency landings.<= o:p>

5.      Care for and maintain your engine like your life depends o= n it – since it does.

 

It’s beyond sad that so many of our pilot brothers have= lost their lives flying the Legacy.  This accident history illustrates clearly higher risk compared to the t= ypical personal airplane.  But fr= om the reports of veteran Legacy flyers, I hold on to the belief that the Le= gacy is an amazing, fast, and beautiful airplane that just demands some uniq= ue handling and discipline beyond the typical personal airplane to fly it sa= fely... 

 

Valin Thorn

Boulder, Colorado<= /span>

 

 

 

= = =

Summary Description=

Bounced landing, ran o= ff runway, substantial damage

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Lancair Legacy Accident & Incident Record

 

 

 

 

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February 2014

 

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Accident Number

Event

Location=

Make / Model

Regist.

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Fatalities=

Total Deaths to Date

Date

Number

34

Stall just after= takeoff

10/25/2013

Shepparton, Australia

Lancair Legacy  

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">VH= -ICZ

2

27

33=

Sta= ll just after takeoff

9/18/20= 13

Gera= ldton, Australia

Lancair Legacy  

VH-ALP

1

25

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">32=

IMC loss of fuel pressure then smoke in cockpit, crashed 4 miles sho= rt of airport

3/31/2013<= /o:p>

Winston-Salem, NC

Lancair Legacy  

=

 

2

24

31

Lost control on landing, broke in three pieces=

5/1/2012

Animas Airpark,
Durango, CO

Campbell Lancair Legacy

N12KX

=

0=

22

30

Training flight, crashed into terrain, cause unknown

3/10/2012

=

Sao Paulo Brazil

Lancair Legacy  

PT-ZZR

2

22

=

2= 9

Collision with power lines 25 ft high, = 1.2 miles from departure runway in night VMC.

3/1/2012

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">Be= len, NM

Hemp Lancair Legacy<= o:p>

N273TE  

2

= 20

28

10/5/2011

KPLK, Bransom, MO

Evans Lancair Legacy

N92SX

0

27

Impacted= snow covered mountain at 6500 ft MSL in VMC und= er unknown circumstances, 78 yr old pilot

5/18/2011

Pioneer, CA

Cameron Lancair Legacy

N121J

1

=

18

26

= Unnecessary forced landing, crashed 3 miles short of runway.  Ran left tank dry but right tank full of fuel, = selector found in wreckage set for left tank.

5/6/2011

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">Richlands, NC

Peter Hebert Lancair Legacy

N23PH

2

17

25

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Early morning night landing at Kansas City = Int'l, landed in grass between taxi ways and struck airport sign, substantia= l damage

5/2/2011=

Kanasa City, MO

= Prichard Lancair Legacy

N50K= P

0

15

24=

Nos= e gear collapse on landing, minor damage

<= span style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Time= s New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;c= olor:black">2/6/2011

San Jos= e Airport, CA

Bereznak Lancair Legacy<= /p>

N817CB

0

15

23

Deice sys failure, ice on aircraft, left wing d= ipped abruptly on landing, gear collapsed, substantial damage

12/25/2010

Oakland/Troy Airport, MI

= Bowers Harbor Legacy

N384AS

0

15

22

Engine failure, forced landing, pax injured=

9/12/2010<= /p>

Okahandja, Namibia

Onderstall Lancair Legacy

ZU-FCY

0

15<= o:p>

Take off in squall conditions with 20 = kt crosswind gusting to 32 = kts, substantial damage

6/25/2010

Burns, OR

Meyer Lancair Legacy

N29MM

0

15<= /o:p>

20

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Engine failure from oil starvation, stall c= rash on forced landing

11/21/= 2009

Watsonville, CA

Budd Lancair Legacy

N7JX

1

15

19

Pilot reports very difficult aircraft pitch co= ntrol from open canopy on takeoff, crash landed short of runway returning to= land

2/6/2009

Longmont, CO

<= span style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Time= s New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;c= olor:black">N939CB

0

14

18

<= span style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Time= s New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;c= olor:black">Ran off end of runway on hot/fast landing, runway 5841 ft long

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">11= /2/2008  

Socorro, NM &= nbsp;

Hemp Lancair Legacy

N273TE  =

0

14

17

Takeoff without canopy l= atched.  Pilot likely impaired by= pain med's and obstructive sleep apnea.

= 10/18/2008  

Parowan, UT  

Heisler Lancair Legacy  =

N151HT  

1

14

16

Stall at low altitude on f= inal at Oshkosh AirVenture

=

7/31/2008  

OSHKOSH, WI

=

M= oser Lancair Legacy FG

N515RB=  

2

13

15

Engine mechanical failure, forced landing short of runway, sheared off main= wheels, failed connecting rod not from engine OEM

6/8/2008  

Bend, OR  

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">La= ncair Prototype Legacy 2000  

N199L  

0

11

14

<= span style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Time= s New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;c= olor:black">Fuel exhaustion during touch and go practice, stall/spin at low = altitude on aggressive turn toward runway

= 5/30/2008  

Murrieta, CA  

Poulin L/Cullen D Lancair Legacy &= nbsp;FG

N109DC  

2

11

13

=

Stall, crash o= n takeoff.  Distracted, challenge= d by open canopy on take off

= 4/13/2008  

Lakeland, F= L  

Dayon Thomas Lancair Legacy  

N1177M  

9

12

Smoke in cockpit, possible fire onb= oard, forced landing in rocky terrain

4/1/2008

Krugersdor= p Game Reserve, South Africa

Lancair Legacy  

ZU-EFC=

1

11

Aircraf= t veered off course after missed ILS approach crashing on road 4500 ft from approach end of runway

2/16/2008

Portland, OR

Legacy FG

 

1

7

10

Engine failure on first flight,= possible cause mixture control attachment loose

Fulton, NY  

=

R= omeo Lancair Legacy RG  

N45FR  

2

6

9

Take off with canopy unlatched, lost control, severe crash and injuries=

8/26/2005<= /p>

Ems, Austria

Hohenemser La= ncair Legacy

N345MW

0

4

8

Stall spin, factor= y Legacy FG

8/15/2005  <= o:p>

Madras, OR  =

Lancair Legacy FG Prototype=

N359L  

2

4

7

Fuel exhaustion, forced landing, mis-calibrated fuel sensors

<= /td>

8/14/2005  

Groveland, CA  

Barnes Lancair Legacy  

N508DB  

0

2

6

<= span style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Time= s New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;c= olor:black">Engine failure, cause unknown, forced landing in rocky field, la= nding gear separated, post-crash fire destroyed airplane

5/1/2005  

Nacogdoches, TX  

Lancair Legacy  

N204RH  

0=

2

= 5

Gear not extended for landing

4/8/2005  

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">Be= nd, OR  

Shannon Lancai= r Legacy

N115YP  

0

2

4

<= /td>

Wing skin on up= per left stub wing separated in flight, landed safely, examination showed po= or bond

9/12/2004<= /span>

Cambridge, OH

Lancair Legacy  

 

0<= /o:p>

2

3

Engine failure with continuous warning signs months before = total failure.  Super-charged eng= ine.  Engine tear down showed one= piston burned through and other heat damage.=   Landing options overflown. Crashed in city.<= /p>

8/1/2004  

Madison, WI  

Knoepflein Lancai= r Legacy

N98SN  

1

2

2

Flew into Lev= el 4 & 5 thunderstorms with ATC assistance

Oakland, TN  

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">Durr Lancair Legacy  

N511WD  <= /p>

1

1

1

Takeof= f with pitot covered, takeoff aborted, ran off end of 2600 ft runway, substantial damage

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Kimberling City, MO  

= Brice Lancair Legacy  

=

N= 27RM  

0

0

 

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