Return-Path: Received: from www08.netaddress.usa.net ([204.68.24.28]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-44819U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA28342 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:00:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 26128 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 1998 23:00:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980928230014.26127.qmail@www08.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:00:14 From: Dan Schaefer To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: arc suppression, longeron strength, acronyms X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> WOW! It seems that there is more structural wonks out there (hey! I'm just repeating what my EE profs used to call 'em) than pilots. Now I'm getting a little paranoid when I go fly, since I've been reading the discussions re: longeron strength, carbon over glass, termination of layups, etc., etc. because I have such an early S/N that I have the holes drilled in the longeron to accomodate the canopy mechanism. Well, I do slow down in the bumps, try to land as gently as I can, and I don't dork with the stick much when IAS is above 160-170 MPH. It's an interesting discussion, though, but I keep coming away with this helpless feeling. Let's face it guys, you ain't going to get out of this world alive, no matter who you know. (Unless Lance's customer list is REALLY impressive!) An interesting comment by Brent Regan that "..capacitors reduce brush arcing in motors...". I believe him to mean that caps reduce noise CAUSED by brush arcing in motors by keeping it localized or grounded. Reducing arcing is a bad idea since the brushes rely on the arc- generated plasma formed between the brush and commutator (or slip- ring) to conduct the required current without mutually destroying each other through friction. Ed Armstrong said using MOV's are safer and handle higher currents. Not terribly important since the diode's current rating only needs to be equivalent to current going thru the relay coil since that's the current that is transferred to the diode when you open the switch. If you want to do like we do for military airplanes, you can hedge your bets and double the current rating for just pennies. If you ascribe to the maxim "Keep it simple, stupid" as I do, (some say , for obvious reasons, too) diodes are simple, limit noise voltages to just about the lowest possible, impose no inrush and create no ringing, and modern technology almost off-handedly produces extremely reliable devices by the Billions. Even the ones you get at your local RS store, if they survive the first hit, they'll likely survive a long time. Bad ones are usually bad when you buy them so it's smart to check each one before you use it. For my relay coils, the highest current I found was the starter relay at about 3 Amps - so naturally, I put a 6 Amp diode across that one. Any voltage rating over about 18 volts (36 for a 28 volt system) would have worked just fine since the highest voltage it sees is the voltage you apply to the coil when you turn on the switch. When you turn the switch off, the current flowing in the coil transfers to the diode, in the forward direction, so the un-grounded end (cathode) goes to about negative 0.7 volts. Worst case is bus voltage (+14 or 28, to about -0.7 vdc - not counting the tiny spike caused by wiring inductance)- so of course, I used a 100 volt diode - Hey! these habits die hard!! And, because I had them around, I used 1N4001 diodes for the little relays - if I remember, those are rated at 1 Amp, 100 volts. I don't worry about them shorting as that's a fairly low probability failure mode - but even if it happens, hitting the switch a couple of times will most likely burn it open (they are really quite fragile, internally) and then you're back to the original, non-arc-suppressed state, which you need to fix though it's not a critical failure. Marv, you've probably got this info a number of times but RS has a neat little booklet that gives the specs and pin-outs for the 555 (both single and double) as well as a few hobbyist circuits. I think they also have the same kind of booklets providing info on various transistor pin-outs too. And thanks to the guys good enough to include a glossary of the more common acronyms they like to use. IHDLM! (It Helps Dummies Like Me!) Cheers, Dan Schaefer ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1