X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.58.247] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6605236 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:51:13 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.247; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [192.168.0.5] (cpe-071-077-249-052.ec.res.rr.com [71.77.249.52]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWI0091VGZX1G20@nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:50:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-19_05:2013-11-19,2013-11-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311190045 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity References: From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FFE03231-24C2-4BBC-BDBA-13C0285326D9 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: <95DED1B5-EB25-4C91-A21C-3BA6735D5A0F@me.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:50:22 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-FFE03231-24C2-4BBC-BDBA-13C0285326D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 They really did bend over backwards to welcome us. I even tried to tip the l= ine kid who stayed to help me tie down the grey lady in the cold rain. He wo= uldn't accept it. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2013, at 19:41, Matt Hapgood wrote: > If I could be anonymous with this post I would=E2=80=A6 >=20 > The Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility. Your historical overvi= ew is very accurate, but between the lines it is both a university issue (th= ey want to use the land for other purposes), a political (state) issue =E2=80= =93 they aren=E2=80=99t allocating any money to developing a new law school o= r research facilities, etc., as well as a local political and community issu= e. Like a lot of airports the community neither understands it nor wants it= . They are =E2=80=9Cterrified=E2=80=9D of the airport because it is so dang= erous =E2=80=93 you know =E2=80=93 the national media histeria every time a p= lane crashes. It=E2=80=99s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been kille= d in Chapel Hill in the past 5 years than in the entire 70 year history of t= he airport=E2=80=A6 Not to mention that is the airport goes away so will a T= ON of it=E2=80=99s huge greenspace =E2=80=93 all developed and will create t= raffic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to that area.= >=20 > Another topic is that you found the manager to be really polite=E2=80=A6 I= wholeheartedly agree. About a year ago the previous long-term manager reti= red and it=E2=80=99s a whole new attitude out there. The new manager and hi= s staff couldn=E2=80=99t be any nicer. =20 >=20 > I hope the airport will stay open for a long time. >=20 > Matt >=20 > From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> > Reply-To: Lancair List > Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM > To: Lancair List > Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity >=20 > George, >=20 > I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO. The a= irport is very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface. Tie dow= ns are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the place was very q= uiet. Saw one other aircraft activity when at the airport two or three time= s during our stay. The manager of the airport is about as congenial as anyo= ne could be. Gas price is reasonable and he will pump for you while he tell= s you the interesting history of the airport. =20 >=20 > It seems that Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose wit= h stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law school an= d maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property for decades s= ince Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky. About ten or fifte= en years ago, the philosophy department (Horace's) made an agreement with th= e law department to close the airport (presumably Horace was not consulted) t= o turn it into a new law school campus but the airport still operates and is= a great facility. They charge $10 per night for tie down. >=20 > I recommend it. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 >=20 > On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 >> Hey Matt, >>=20 >> Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly a= s her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not all that long a= go helping my father in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UNC m= edical school. >>=20 >> I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the family= farm out there and ultimately plan to retire there. >>=20 >> My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as th= e Rooney=E2=80=99s whom we bought our plane from. >>=20 >> Sounds like we have some similar destinations. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood wrote: >>=20 >>> I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know the K= ing and Queen are out there (bill and sue). My wife and I regularly fly fro= m Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c) A= spen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance. FL is al= ways non-stop. Austin and back is often non-stop. Our record was Aspen to C= hapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good tail wind. It was a 6:1= 0 flight and we landed with an hour reserve. =20 >>>=20 >>> This bird is an economical time machine. Many times I have wished for b= etter weather detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend coming= home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy. =20 >>>=20 >>> Love my plane. Wife loves her travel flexibility.=20 >>>=20 >>> Matt >>>=20 >>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love wrote:= >>>=20 >>>> In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 g= allons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind >>>> Pink Legacy >>>> Ralph Love >>>>=20 >>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales wrote= : >>>>=20 >>>>> What would you consider to be "super long range"? >>>>>=20 >>>>> I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus res= erve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of peopl= e but no luggage. =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 ga= l remaining. Made for a long day.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" w= rote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? >>>>>> I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flie= s with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you t= o gross the tanks are too small. =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, w= ouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range= machine." >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows= for sure. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Colyn >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Greetings: I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just= learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90= gallons. Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without di= fficulty. I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documenta= tion on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have acco= mplished the modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely no= t the last. >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> James M. Anderson, III >>>>>> Anderson & Ealick, P.C. >>>>>> Suite 130 >>>>>> 5855 Sandy Springs Circle >>>>>> Sandy Springs, GA 30328 >>>>>> 404-255-0319 >>>>>> jma@jmalawfirm.com >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-FFE03231-24C2-4BBC-BDBA-13C0285326D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
They really did bend over b= ackwards to welcome us.  I even tried to tip the line kid who stayed to= help me tie down the grey lady in the cold rain. He wouldn't accept it.



Sent from my iPad

On Nov 18, 201= 3, at 19:41, Matt Hapgood <mehapgo= od@gmail.com> wrote:

If I could be anonymous with this post I would=E2=80=A6=

The Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility.=  Your historical overview is very accurate, but between the lines it i= s both a university issue (they want to use the land for other purposes), a p= olitical (state) issue =E2=80=93 they aren=E2=80=99t allocating any money to= developing a new law school or research facilities, etc., as well as a loca= l political and community issue.  Like a lot of airports the community n= either understands it nor wants it.  They are =E2=80=9Cterrified=E2=80=9D= of the airport because it is so dangerous =E2=80=93 you know =E2=80=93 the n= ational media histeria every time a plane crashes.  It=E2=80=99s irrele= vant that more pedestrians have been killed in Chapel Hill in the past  = ;5 years than in the entire 70 year history of the airport=E2=80=A6  No= t to mention that is the airport goes away so will a TON of it=E2=80=99s hug= e greenspace =E2=80=93 all developed and will create traffic issues in this s= mall town with only small roads leading to that area.

Another topic is that you found the manager to be really polite=E2=80=A6 I= wholeheartedly agree.  About a year ago the previous long-term manager= retired and it=E2=80=99s a whole new attitude out there.  The new mana= ger and his staff couldn=E2=80=99t be any nicer.  

=
I hope the airport will stay open for a long time.

Matt

From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com>
= Reply-To: Lancair List <= lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM
To: Lancair List <lml@l= ancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity

George,

I flew into Chapel Hil= l and spent a couple nights there after LOBO.  The airport is very nice= tucked into a treed area but with nice surface.  Tie downs are on conc= rete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the place was very quiet.  S= aw one other aircraft activity when at the airport two or three times during= our stay.  The manager of the airport is about as congenial as anyone c= ould be.  Gas price is reasonable and he will pump for you while he tel= ls you the interesting history of the airport.  

It seems that Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose wi= th stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law school a= nd maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property for decades s= ince Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky.  About ten or f= ifteen years ago, the philosophy department (Horace's) made an agreement wit= h the law department to close the airport (presumably Horace was not consult= ed) to turn it into a new law school campus but the airport still operates a= nd is a great facility.  They charge $10 per night for tie down.
<= div>
I recommend it.

John
<= br>

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 18, 2= 013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com= > wrote:

Hey Matt,
Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go the= re regularly as her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not a= ll that long ago helping my father in law move out of his house. And, my wif= e went to UNC medical school.

I am also from Brenha= m, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the family farm out there and ulti= mately plan to retire there.

My father in law moved= to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as the Rooney=E2=80=99s whom w= e bought our plane from.

Sounds like we have some s= imilar destinations.



O= n Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood <mehapgood@gmail.com> wrote:

I hate to even beg= in to brag about long lancair flights when I know the King and Queen are out= there (bill and sue).  My wife and I regularly fly from Chapel Hill, N= C to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c) Aspen, CO in our= little 360 that is not purpose built for distance.  FL is always non-s= top.  Austin and back is often non-stop.  Our record was Aspen to C= hapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good tail wind.   It was a= 6:10 flight and we landed with an hour reserve.  

=
This bird is an economical time machine.  Many times I have wished= for better weather detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend c= oming home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy.  
=

Love my plane.  Wife loves her travel flexibility.&= nbsp;

Matt

On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Lo= ve <ralphlove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

What would you consider to be "super long range"?

I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hou= rs plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 60= 0# of people but no luggage.  

Would be intere= sted to hear what other ES's are doing. 

Longe= st logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining= .  Made for a long day. 


<= br>On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anyone know why the ES t= anks are so small?
I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to s= ay a plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel does= n't bring you to gross the tanks are too small.  

Th= e first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't i= t be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range machine.= "

I can imagine engineering considerations but I wo= nder if anyone knows for sure.

Colyn

=
On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote:
Greetings:  I=E2=80=99m building a slow= build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacit= y can be enlarged to around 90 gallons.  Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the sta= ge where I can add a bay without difficulty.  I=E2=80=99ve checked with= Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted t= o check here to see how others have accomplished the modification.  My t= he way, this is my first post, but surely not the last.
 = ;
James M. Anderson, III
Anderson & Ealick, P.C.<= o:p>
Suite 130
5855 Sandy Springs Circle
Sandy Springs,  GA  30328<= /div>
<= b>40= 4-255-0319
 

=

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