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[208.53.115.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ql10sm26557294pbc.44.2013.11.18.18.17.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:17:54 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7AC331DE-0EAB-4308-AD17-58E2FDCDDA50 X-Original-Message-Id: <42C61162-3047-4098-957B-51E80075868E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11B554a) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:17:52 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-7AC331DE-0EAB-4308-AD17-58E2FDCDDA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did get a sense of the politics of the airport. I did not share that the m= anagers would like to re pave and do other upkeep but their bosses will have= none of it because those folks want it to go away. Very similar to lots of= airports where cities grow up around them but this one is particularly beau= tiful. Will hate to see it go. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Matt Hapgood wrote: >=20 > If I could be anonymous with this post I would=E2=80=A6 >=20 > The Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility. Your historical overvi= ew is very accurate, but between the lines it is both a university issue (th= ey want to use the land for other purposes), a political (state) issue =E2=80= =93 they aren=E2=80=99t allocating any money to developing a new law school o= r research facilities, etc., as well as a local political and community issu= e. Like a lot of airports the community neither understands it nor wants it= . They are =E2=80=9Cterrified=E2=80=9D of the airport because it is so dang= erous =E2=80=93 you know =E2=80=93 the national media histeria every time a p= lane crashes. It=E2=80=99s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been kille= d in Chapel Hill in the past 5 years than in the entire 70 year history of t= he airport=E2=80=A6 Not to mention that is the airport goes away so will a T= ON of it=E2=80=99s huge greenspace =E2=80=93 all developed and will create t= raffic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to that area.= >=20 > Another topic is that you found the manager to be really polite=E2=80=A6 I= wholeheartedly agree. About a year ago the previous long-term manager reti= red and it=E2=80=99s a whole new attitude out there. The new manager and hi= s staff couldn=E2=80=99t be any nicer. =20 >=20 > I hope the airport will stay open for a long time. >=20 > Matt >=20 > From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> > Reply-To: Lancair List > Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM > To: Lancair List > Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity >=20 > George, >=20 > I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO. The a= irport is very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface. Tie dow= ns are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the place was very q= uiet. Saw one other aircraft activity when at the airport two or three time= s during our stay. The manager of the airport is about as congenial as anyo= ne could be. Gas price is reasonable and he will pump for you while he tell= s you the interesting history of the airport. =20 >=20 > It seems that Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose wit= h stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law school an= d maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property for decades s= ince Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky. About ten or fifte= en years ago, the philosophy department (Horace's) made an agreement with th= e law department to close the airport (presumably Horace was not consulted) t= o turn it into a new law school campus but the airport still operates and is= a great facility. They charge $10 per night for tie down. >=20 > I recommend it. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >>=20 >> Hey Matt, >>=20 >> Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly a= s her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not all that long a= go helping my father in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UNC m= edical school. >>=20 >> I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the family= farm out there and ultimately plan to retire there. >>=20 >> My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as th= e Rooney=E2=80=99s whom we bought our plane from. >>=20 >> Sounds like we have some similar destinations. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood wrote: >>>=20 >>> I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know the K= ing and Queen are out there (bill and sue). My wife and I regularly fly fro= m Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c) A= spen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance. FL is al= ways non-stop. Austin and back is often non-stop. Our record was Aspen to C= hapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good tail wind. It was a 6:1= 0 flight and we landed with an hour reserve. =20 >>>=20 >>> This bird is an economical time machine. Many times I have wished for b= etter weather detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend coming= home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy. =20 >>>=20 >>> Love my plane. Wife loves her travel flexibility.=20 >>>=20 >>> Matt >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love wrote= : >>>>=20 >>>> In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 g= allons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind >>>> Pink Legacy >>>> Ralph Love >>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales wrot= e: >>>>>=20 >>>>> What would you consider to be "super long range"? >>>>>=20 >>>>> I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus res= erve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of peopl= e but no luggage. =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 ga= l remaining. Made for a long day.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" w= rote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? >>>>>> I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flie= s with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you t= o gross the tanks are too small. =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, w= ouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range= machine." >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows= for sure. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Colyn >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Greetings: I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just= learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90= gallons. Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without di= fficulty. I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documenta= tion on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have acco= mplished the modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely no= t the last. >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> James M. Anderson, III >>>>>> Anderson & Ealick, P.C. >>>>>> Suite 130 >>>>>> 5855 Sandy Springs Circle >>>>>> Sandy Springs, GA 30328 >>>>>> 404-255-0319 >>>>>> jma@jmalawfirm.com --Apple-Mail-7AC331DE-0EAB-4308-AD17-58E2FDCDDA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did get a sense of the politics of t= he airport.  I did not share that the managers would like to re pave an= d do other upkeep but their bosses will have none of it because those folks w= ant it to go away.  Very similar to lots of airports where cities grow u= p around them but this one is particularly beautiful.  Will hate to see= it go.

John

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Matt Hapgood <mehapgood@gmail.com> wrote:

If I could be anonymous with this= post I would=E2=80=A6

The Chapel Hill airport is a= n endangered facility.  Your historical overview is very accurate, but b= etween the lines it is both a university issue (they want to use the land fo= r other purposes), a political (state) issue =E2=80=93 they aren=E2=80=99t a= llocating any money to developing a new law school or research facilities, e= tc., as well as a local political and community issue.  Like a lot of a= irports the community neither understands it nor wants it.  They are =E2= =80=9Cterrified=E2=80=9D of the airport because it is so dangerous =E2=80=93= you know =E2=80=93 the national media histeria every time a plane crashes. &= nbsp;It=E2=80=99s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been killed in Chape= l Hill in the past  5 years than in the entire 70 year history of the a= irport=E2=80=A6  Not to mention that is the airport goes away so will a= TON of it=E2=80=99s huge greenspace =E2=80=93 all developed and will create= traffic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to that are= a.

Another topic is that you found the manager to b= e really polite=E2=80=A6 I wholeheartedly agree.  About a year ago the p= revious long-term manager retired and it=E2=80=99s a whole new attitude out t= here.  The new manager and his staff couldn=E2=80=99t be any nicer. &nb= sp;

I hope the airport will stay open for a long ti= me.
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri">
Matt

From: John Barrett &l= t;2thman1@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Lancair List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM
To: Lancair List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity
=

George,

I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO.  = ;The airport is very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface. &n= bsp;Tie downs are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the plac= e was very quiet.  Saw one other aircraft activity when at the airport t= wo or three times during our stay.  The manager of the airport is about= as congenial as anyone could be.  Gas price is reasonable and he will p= ump for you while he tells you the interesting history of the airport.  = ;

It seems that Horace what's his name donated the s= pace for the purpose with stipulation that it never be used for anything els= e, but the law school and maybe others have been salivating over the valuabl= e property for decades since Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the s= ky.  About ten or fifteen years ago, the philosophy department (Horace'= s) made an agreement with the law department to close the airport (presumabl= y Horace was not consulted) to turn it into a new law school campus but the a= irport still operates and is a great facility.  They charge $10 per nig= ht for tie down.

I recommend it.

John


Sent from my iPad


On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

Hey Matt,

Just curious about Chapel Hill; My w= ife and I plan to go there regularly as her best friend lives in Carborro an= d we were up there not all that long ago helping my father in law move out o= f his house. And, my wife went to UNC medical school.

I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the family= farm out there and ultimately plan to retire there.

My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as the= Rooney=E2=80=99s whom we bought our plane from.

So= unds like we have some similar destinations.



On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood <mehapgood@gmail.com> wrote:

=
I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know the= King and Queen are out there (bill and sue).  My wife and I regularly f= ly from Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX a= nd c) Aspen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance. &n= bsp;FL is always non-stop.  Austin and back is often non-stop.  Ou= r record was Aspen to Chapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good ta= il wind.   It was a 6:10 flight and we landed with an hour reserve. &nb= sp;

This bird is an economical time machine.  = Many times I have wished for better weather detection, FIKI, and more redund= ancy (like last weekend coming home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat t= he economy.  

Love my plane.  Wife loves h= er travel flexibility. 

Matt

On Nov 16, 201= 3, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love <ral= phlove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<= meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 gall= ons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind
Pink Legacy
Ralph Love

On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> wrote:<= br>
What would you consider to be "supe= r long range"?

I carry 91 useable which can keep me= flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from ho= me. Can do this with 600# of people but no luggage.  

Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing. 

Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Lande= d with 26 gal remaining.  Made for a long day. 



On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote= :

Does an= yone know why the ES tanks are so small?
I know a lot of people think it= 's cool to be able to say a plane flies with full tanks and full seats but I= MO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small.  = ;

The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I t= hought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a su= per long range machine."

I can imagine engineering c= onsiderations but I wonder if anyone knows for sure.

Colyn

On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Ander= son, III P.C. wrote:

Greetings:  I=E2=80= =99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned that the stock 75= gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gallons.  Luckily I=E2= =80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without difficulty.  I=E2=80= =99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation on how to do t= hat, but wanted to check here to see how others have accomplished the modifi= cation.  My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the last.
 
James M. Anderson, III
Anderson &a= mp; Ealick, P.C.
Suite 130
5855 Sand= y Springs Circle
Sandy Springs,  GA  30328
404-255-0319
 


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