X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:57:39 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6604798 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:55:56 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=coIOFFMu4TpPjfWVTHYOlHNSFMD7yssXg8xebrgDksTTRNrIZqdk8iLILjdxfLZe; h=Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [98.204.78.83] (helo=DougsVAIO) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ViZax-0002ro-AT for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:55:11 -0500 From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Sleep apnea X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:55:21 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <003801cee4c2$06590a10$130b1e30$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac7kwFTtpjppEnHyRca7QLrDFg3IMQAAaixw Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac0eab4a5d23dc2aa85a69aee19669d204b903d1d2802b8e2e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 98.204.78.83 Do I detect a note of sarcasm? -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Sleep apnea Jay, Not to worry about the expense. I have it on good athourity that all of the testing will be covered under Obamacare. And, if you like your pilot certificate you can keep it, period. Ken Kellner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Phillips" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [LML] Sleep apnea >I don't disagree with you on anything you wrote, Doug. > > The article states that *all* pilots will be subject to this testing. BMI > has nothing to do with it other than being the "camel's nose under the > tent". So I will be forced to undergo this testing, at my expense, in > order > to continue exercising my pilot 'privileges'. > > Jay Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of R > Douglas Owen > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:45 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Sleep apnea > > I have a comment regarding the recent FAA rule regarding sleep apnea. > > I am a senior aviation medical examiner, a board certified family doc, and > a > IV-P turbine builder and pilot. > > During the evaluation of patients with sleep apnea, I have encountered > people who have arousals (mini wake up episodes) as often as 30 to 60 > times > per hour. This could mean that the average length of restful restorative > sleep amounts to one or two minutes at a time throughout the night. This > condition is generally associated with low oxygen levels in the body. As > aviators, we do know the ill effects of hypoxia on the body systems. > These > individuals typically awaken with marked fatigue; often feeling just as > tired when they wake up as when they went to bed. > > Morbid obesity [BMI (body mass index - a mathematical ratio of weight vs > height) > 40 - not just those of us who need to lose a few pounds] has a > strong correlation with sleep problems. > > As a passenger on the flights that I am not able to take my Lancair, I > would > like to hope that the pilot is at his best, having had more than a 1 > minute > stretch of sleep throughout the night. Typically I do not have the option > to > check out the pilot and choose to stay behind if I wanted to. > > The FAA primary mandate is to try to assure the safety of the public. > Though > not all morbidly obese people have sleep apnea, obesity is a significant > risk factor - particularly for the morbidly obese with a BMI > 40. It does > not seem unreasonable to me to apply some screening process to consider > evaluation for pilots who may be at risk. > > It is my understanding that this rule was presented after a commercial > crew > (the captain did have a diagnosis of sleep apnea that was not treated, the > first officer just was tired, but without sleep apnea) BOTH went to sleep > and overflew the destination by 25 miles before they happened to wake up. > > Though none of us appreciate the government poking its nose into our > business, in my opinion it is very logical to assess the morbidly obese > pilot for a condition that may well be very critical to the safety of all > aboard the aircraft. > > Doug Owen > Sent from my iPad > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html