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[70.61.86.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 3sm28838013qej.0.2013.11.18.12.52.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:52:42 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:52:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity From: Matt Hapgood X-Original-To: Lancair List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3467634761_1221815" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3467634761_1221815 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable If I could be anonymous with this post I would=8A The Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility. Your historical overvie= w is very accurate, but between the lines it is both a university issue (they want to use the land for other purposes), a political (state) issue =AD they aren=B9t allocating any money to developing a new law school or research facilities, etc., as well as a local political and community issue. Like a lot of airports the community neither understands it nor wants it. They ar= e =B3terrified=B2 of the airport because it is so dangerous =AD you know =AD the national media histeria every time a plane crashes. It=B9s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been killed in Chapel Hill in the past 5 years than in the entire 70 year history of the airport=8A Not to mention that is the airport goes away so will a TON of it=B9s huge greenspace =AD all developed and will create traffic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to that area. Another topic is that you found the manager to be really polite=8A I wholeheartedly agree. About a year ago the previous long-term manager retired and it=B9s a whole new attitude out there. The new manager and his staff couldn=B9t be any nicer. I hope the airport will stay open for a long time. Matt From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Reply-To: Lancair List Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM To: Lancair List Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity George, I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO. The airport is very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface. Tie downs are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the place was very quiet. Saw one other aircraft activity when at the airport two or three times during our stay. The manager of the airport is about as congenial as anyone could be. Gas price is reasonable and he will pump for you while he tells you the interesting history of the airport. It seems that Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose with stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law school and maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property for decades since Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky. About ten or fifteen years ago, the philosophy department (Horace's) made an agreement with the law department to close the airport (presumably Horace was not consulted) to turn it into a new law school campus but the airport still operates and is a great facility. They charge $10 per night for tie down. I recommend it. John Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung wrote: > Hey Matt, >=20 > Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly = as > her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not all that long = ago > helping my father in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UNC > medical school. >=20 > I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the family= farm > out there and ultimately plan to retire there. >=20 > My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as th= e > Rooney=B9s whom we bought our plane from. >=20 > Sounds like we have some similar destinations. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood wrote: >=20 >> I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know the = King >> and Queen are out there (bill and sue). My wife and I regularly fly fro= m >> Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c= ) >> Aspen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance. FL = is >> always non-stop. Austin and back is often non-stop. Our record was Asp= en to >> Chapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good tail wind. It was = a >> 6:10 flight and we landed with an hour reserve. >>=20 >> This bird is an economical time machine. Many times I have wished for b= etter >> weather detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend coming h= ome >> from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy. >>=20 >> Love my plane. Wife loves her travel flexibility. >>=20 >> Matt >>=20 >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love wrote: >>=20 >>> In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 >>> gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind >>> Pink Legacy >>> Ralph Love >>>=20 >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales wrote= : >>>=20 >>>> What would you consider to be "super long range"? >>>>=20 >>>> I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus res= erve >>>> and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of peop= le >>>> but no luggage. >>>>=20 >>>> Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing. >>>>=20 >>>> Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 ga= l >>>> remaining. Made for a long day. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" w= rote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? >>>>> I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flie= s >>>>> with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring = you >>>>> to gross the tanks are too small. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, >>>>> wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super lo= ng >>>>> range machine." >>>>>=20 >>>>> I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows= for >>>>> sure. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Colyn >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Greetings: I=B9m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned= that >>>>> the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gallon= s. >>>>> Luckily I=B9m at the stage where I can add a bay without difficulty. I= =B9ve >>>>> checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation on how to do >>>>> that, but wanted to check here to see how others have accomplished th= e >>>>> modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the = last. >>>>> =20 >>>>> James M. Anderson, III >>>>> Anderson & Ealick, P.C. >>>>> Suite 130 >>>>> 5855 Sandy Springs Circle >>>>> Sandy Springs, GA 30328 >>>>> 404-255-0319 >>>>> jma@jmalawfirm.com >>>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >=20 --B_3467634761_1221815 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
If I could be anony= mous with this post I would…

The Chapel Hill = airport is an endangered facility.  Your historical overview is very ac= curate, but between the lines it is both a university issue (they want to us= e the land for other purposes), a political (state) issue – they aren&= #8217;t allocating any money to developing a new law school or research faci= lities, etc., as well as a local political and community issue.  Like a= lot of airports the community neither understands it nor wants it.  Th= ey are “terrified” of the airport because it is so dangerous = 211; you know – the national media histeria every time a plane crashes= .  It’s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been killed in Chap= el Hill in the past  5 years than in the entire 70 year history of the = airport…  Not to mention that is the airport goes away so will a = TON of it’s huge greenspace – all developed and will create traf= fic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to that area.

Another topic is that you found the manager to be rea= lly polite… I wholeheartedly agree.  About a year ago the previou= s long-term manager retired and it’s a whole new attitude out there. &= nbsp;The new manager and his staff couldn’t be any nicer.  
=

I hope the airport will stay open for a long time.
=

Matt

From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com>
Reply-To: = Lancair List <lml@lancairo= nline.net>
Date: Monday, No= vember 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM
To: Lan= cair List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - E= xtended range fuel capacity







On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George = Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

Hey Matt,

Just curious about= Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly as her best friend li= ves in Carborro and we were up there not all that long ago helping my father= in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UNC medical school.

I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as = we have the family farm out there and ultimately plan to retire there.
=

My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit = him as well as the Rooney’s whom we bought our plane from.
<= br>
Sounds like we have some similar destinations.

<= /div>


On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hap= good <mehapgood@gmail.com> wr= ote:

I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know = the King and Queen are out there (bill and sue).  My wife and I regular= ly fly from Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' = TX and c) Aspen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance= .  FL is always non-stop.  Austin and back is often non-stop. &nbs= p;Our record was Aspen to Chapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a goo= d tail wind.   It was a 6:10 flight and we landed with an hour reserve.=  

This bird is an economical time machine. &n= bsp;Many times I have wished for better weather detection, FIKI, and more re= dundancy (like last weekend coming home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot b= eat the economy.  

Love my plane.  Wife l= oves her travel flexibility. 

Matt

On Nov 1= 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love <ralphlove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In = my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 gallons = remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind
Pink Legacy
Ra= lph Love

On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> wrote:
What would you consider to be "super long range"?=

I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for ab= out 6 hours plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do thi= s with 600# of people but no luggage.  

Would = be interested to hear what other ES's are doing. 

<= div>Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal = remaining.  Made for a long day. 



On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:

=
Does anyone know why the E= S tanks are so small?
I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able = to say a plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel = doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small.  

The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, would= n't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range mac= hine."

I can imagine engineering considerations but= I wonder if anyone knows for sure.

Colyn

On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wro= te:

Greetings:  I’m building a slow build ES (Kit = # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarg= ed to around 90 gallons.  Luckily I’m at the stage where I can ad= d a bay without difficulty.  I’ve checked with Lancair, and am aw= aiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see= how others have accomplished the modification.  My the way, this is my= first post, but surely not the last.
 
James M. Anderson,= III
Anderson & Ealick, P.C.
=
Suite 130
5855 Sandy Springs Circle
Sandy Springs, = ; GA  30328
404-255-0319
jma@= jmalawfirm.com
 


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