X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.23] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6560984 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 04:32:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.23; envelope-from=patrickbridge@hotmail.com Received: from BLU0-SMTP11 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:32:09 -0700 X-TMN: [k2tc+6v9V+fTh6xy29b/r0vhS3ERF1Yo] X-Originating-Email: [patrickbridge@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: patrickbridge@hotmail.com Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([182.239.239.53]) by BLU0-SMTP11.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:32:03 -0700 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-33AE96CD-A25B-41B4-80DB-2EC0551AE07F" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-CC: "lml@lancaironline.net" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B146) From: Patrick Bridge Subject: Re: [LML] Dukes Outflow valve repair X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:01:58 +1030 X-Original-To: "pete@leapfrogventures.com" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2013 08:32:04.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A1D34D0:01CECFCA] --Apple-Mail-33AE96CD-A25B-41B4-80DB-2EC0551AE07F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I was at Lancair last month and noted that they had constructed a Dukes Outf= low Valve test chamber due to the issues many customers were having, some wi= th brand new valves. There may be an opportunity to work with Lancair on thi= s? Pat Bridge LIV-602 Sent from my iPad On 22/10/2013, at 5:41, "pete@leapfrogventures.com" wrote: > Since by process of elimination I seem to have the most experience with th= is issue, let me make a suggestion. Colyn prompted me to think about whethe= r we could fabricate a test chamber for the pressure heads. Initially I res= ponded no, but the more I thought about it, the more I think it could be don= e. > =20 > So let me throw out a number. How many folks are having a serious enough p= roblem that they would be willing to invest $800 toward construction of a Du= kes test cell, with associated digital manometers and such, to test and cali= brate their Dukes systems? I would be willing to build the contraption and r= un the tests if enough (but not too many) folks are interested. > =20 > The cell would also be useful for calibrating the emergency outflow valve (= yes, it is adjustable and is probably not set correctly from the factory). > =20 > Feel free to respond directly to me. If enough folks sign up, I=E2=80=99m= game. > =20 > Pete > =20 > From: Robert R Pastusek [mailto:rpastusek@htii.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:48 AM > To: Lancair Mailing List > Subject: [LML] Dukes Outflow valve repair > =20 > Lancair Owners, >=20 > We have at least three Lancair owners that are having difficulty with thei= r pressurization controllers, and little technical information or help appea= rs to be available. If anyone has good technical information about troublesh= ooting and/or maintaining the Dukes controller used in pressurized Lancair a= ircraft, I=E2=80=99d be pleased to consolidate and provide as a package to n= eedy owners=E2=80=A6 > =20 > Please send any such info directly to me at rpastusek@htii.com. > =20 > Thanks in advance, > =20 > Bob Pastusek > For LOBO > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Pau= l Miller > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:35 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Dukes Outflow valve repair > =20 > $5,000 is a lot when it could be solenoid, seating, leak, controller or li= nes. Can you isolate the problem further? What kind of test tells you the= valve is not moving? Most of the problems I've seen are dirty seals which c= an be cleaned or worn seals that get replaced. > =20 > On 2013-10-18, at 1:49 PM, Tom Warren wrote: >=20 > appears that the outflow valve is not responsive > =20 --Apple-Mail-33AE96CD-A25B-41B4-80DB-2EC0551AE07F Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete

I was at= Lancair last month and noted that they had constructed a Dukes Outflow Valv= e test chamber due to the issues many customers were having, some with brand= new valves. There may be an opportunity to work with Lancair on this?
=

Pat Bridge
LIV-602

Sent from my iPad

On 22/10/2013, at 5:41, "pete@leapfrogventures.com" <pete@leapfrogventures.com> wrote:

Since by process of elimination I seem to have the most experienc= e with this issue, let me make a suggestion.  Colyn prompted me to thin= k about whether we could fabricate a test chamber for the pressure heads.&nb= sp; Initially I responded no, but the more I thought about it, the more I th= ink it could be done.

<= o:p> 

So let me throw o= ut a number.  How many folks are having a serious enough problem that t= hey would be willing to invest $800 toward construction of a Dukes test cell= , with associated digital manometers and such, to test and calibrate their D= ukes systems?  I would be willing to build the contraption and run the t= ests if enough (but not too many) folks are interested.

 

The cell would also be useful for calibrating the emergency= outflow valve (yes, it is adjustable and is probably not set correctly from= the factory).

&nb= sp;

Feel free to respond dir= ectly to me.  If enough folks sign up, I=E2=80=99m game.

 

Pete

 

From:= Robert R Past= usek [mailto:rpastusek@htii.com] <= br>Sent: Monday, October 21, 2= 013 4:48 AM
To: Lancair Ma= iling List
Subject: [LML] D= ukes Outflow valve repair

 

Lanca= ir Owners,


We have a= t least three Lancair owners that are having difficulty with their pressuriz= ation controllers, and little technical information or help appears to be av= ailable. If anyone has good technical information about troubleshooting and/= or maintaining the Dukes controller used in pressurized Lancair aircraft, I=E2= =80=99d be pleased to consolidate and provide as a package to needy owners=E2= =80=A6

 

Please send any such info direct= ly to me at rpastusek@htii.com.

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Thanks in advance,

 

Bob Pastusek

=  <= /o:p>

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Paul Miller
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:35 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
= Subject: [LML] Re: Dukes Outflow valve repair

 

$5,000 is a lot when it could be solenoid, seating, l= eak, controller or lines.   Can you isolate the problem further?  = What kind of test tells you the valve is not moving?  Most of the probl= ems I've seen are dirty seals which can be cleaned or worn seals that get re= placed.

 

On 2013-10-18, at 1:49 PM= , Tom Warren <warrent@flash.net&= gt; wrote:


appears t= hat the outflow valve is not responsive

 

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