Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67556
From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Stall speeds for LNC2
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:11:39 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Randy,
Can you provide some more details on the flap modification?  That might explain some of the dirty stall speed differences.  I am curious about the wing trailing edge and flap leading edge interface.
 
All,
Just for reference, given an indicated stall of 61 KIAS at 1,600 lb:
KIAS, Load factor
61    1.0
70    1.3   
80    1.7
90    2.2
100    2.7
 
weight, stall speed (KIAS)
1600    61.0
1800    64.7
2000    72.3
 
If your indicated stall speed is higher, everything scales up
for stall at 72 KIAS
KIAS, load factor
72    1.0
80    1.2
90    1.6
100    1.9
 
Notes that stall speed varies by quite a bit from super-light (1 person, low fuel, no baggage) to heavy (2 people, full gas, lots of bags)
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
 
 
 


On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:17 AM, George Shattuck <gws37@plantationcable.net> wrote:
Over the years I have made it a practice to turn base with half flap and 100 kts. or so, then turning final at roughly 90 to 95 kts.  When I have the runway made down comes full flap, ease the power and start the flair so that at 1/8 inch off the runway the airplane stops flying and squeeks on.  My stall speed with gear and half flap is in the low 60's but I don't like to get near that speed.  I suppose it is my old Navy habits but I keep it close in on the downwind and base.  There is no sense to being wide abeam and strung out on a long final.
 
On take off I keep the nose down and cleaned up I'm near 135 to 140 kts by the end of the runway (5000"), the up and off I go.
 
George Shattuck
LNC2, 1500+ hrs. small tail, 1989 kit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stall speeds for LNC2

The only stall speed I know for my airplane is 61kias in the landing config, power off. That's the only stall I've performed or intended to perform. Not sure why mine is 6-7kts lower than yours, unless you're using KCAS?

Small tail, 40 flaps here.

Keith


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:56 PM, <Sky2high@aol.com> wrote:
Randy,
 
Interesting.
 
In the pattern, level, lo pwr and dirty, 1.3 x 61=79 KIAS.  A 30 degree banked turn raises the stall speed about 4 kts.  Not much of a margin if operating at or below 85 KIAS.
 
Engine failure on take off after flaps and gear cleaned up - level flight - 1.3 x 72 = 93 and a 30 degree turn raises that to 98 KIAS.  I think that's why I liked to climb out at an excess of 130 KIAS.
 
Scott
 
 
In a message dated 10/21/2013 11:34:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, marv@lancair.net writes:
Posted for "Randy Hartman" <randy@aoaircrafters.com>:

>Fellow 360 drivers,
>
>
>
> I have over 500 hours on my Lancair 360 (N360DE) now and just recently did
> my first stalls. (I know, I know, I should have done them a long time ago,
> but...)
>
>
>
> Here are the numbers:
>
>
>
> Altitude = 8,500, OAT = 65 DF
>
>
>
> Clean
>
>        Power OFF                                  72 Kts  (right wing
> drooping, left wing fall off)
>
>        Power ON (13" MAP)               69.5 Kts (slight break/buffet)
>
>
>
> Dirty (full flaps, gear down)
>
>        Power OFF                                  67.8 Kts (slight
> break/buffet)
>
>        Power ON (13" MAP)               60.8 Kts (slight break/buffet)
>
>
>
> Because of my own personal respect for, and healthy fear of, the airplane
> and the unknown results of stalls in this airplane, I approached the stall
> speeds very slowly and deliberately, taking care to keep the ball centered.
> The numbers taken were at the first, slightest feel of a stall.  I have it
> all on video.
>
>
>
> I am wondering what others have experienced.  Are these numbers unusual?
> High, low, etc.?
>
>
>
> Points of interest regarding N360DE:
>
> .         The tail is neither "large" or "small".  It is a one-off
> modification that is a little larger than the original.  (Designed and built
> by Chuck Brenner prior to my ownership.)
>
> .         The flaps are non-standard for the 360.  They are hinged below the
> bottom surface of the wing on three pivot points about 1.25" below. (Also
> designed and built by Chuck Brenner prior to my ownership.)
>
> .         Cowling has no lower bulge for the RSA.  The RSA is mounted on the
> front of the oil pan. (Cowlings by Chuck Brenner.)
>
> .         I have 10" stall strips installed on the leading edge of the wings
> about 12" from the side of the fuselage.
>
> .         When trimmed up, she flies extraordinarily stable, the faster the
> more stable
>
> .         Very responsive in pitch, which I believe is normal for the 360 -
> but I have not flown in any other 360/320/235  
>
>
>
> Randy Hartman
>
> Alpha Omega Aircrafters
>
> (319) 360-9775
>
>
>



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