Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67500
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Odyssey PC680 Batteries on Firewall -- Cool Enough?
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:36:29 -0400
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hi Valin,

I don't know what you will find in a Legacy.  In my IV-P I have temp probes under the engine and on the firewall.  temps are in the 150 - 170 range with a couple blast tubes in the center area.   I have about 100 hours on Odyssey batteries in that location.   I can't say for sure they are happy as I have fried two pair on the ground using an incorrect charger.  (Don't ask me how I did it twice)

Do you ever fly solo?   right side battery box might be good for that.

Colyn

On Oct 21, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Valin & Allyson Thorn wrote:

Hey LML gang,
 
We’re planning on installing our two Odyssey PC680 AGM 12V batteries (connected in series for 28 V system) on our Legacy’s firewall for airplane center of gravity control.  This will help our cg because we have a light weight MT prop, a removable electric air conditioner behind the seats, and our hydraulic pump in the original design location behind the bulkhead in the tail.
 
We’ve seen quite a few airplanes at Oshkosh with batteries on their firewall.  But, as we finalize our firewall layout we couldn’t help but wonder if there are any issues with the thermal environment on the firewall – especially when we’re looking at one of the batteries being downstream of the airflow going through the oil cooler.
 
Has anyone measured the temperatures around the firewall in flight?  Has anyone had any issues with their batteries installed on the firewall?
 
Odyssey’s stated operating temperature range for their PC680 batteries , without a metal jacket, is -40°F (-40°C) to 113°F (45°C)and with a metal jacket is -40°F (-40°C) to 176°F (80°C).
 
Mounting them up high on the firewall is likely the coolest.  And avoiding the oil cooler air flow on the left side would be cooler.  We can get them both on the right side away from the oil cooler but would like to avoid getting the airplane’s Y/lateral cg too far from the middle with other heavy things already on the right side.  We’d also prefer to not install them at the top of the firewall (more like middle) so we don’t have to have a remote oil filter setup and to free that top space for other components.  Installing a battery up high on the left side requires a remote oil filter setup because of interference for replacement of the oil filter.
 
Without data and only intuition it seems that the metal jacket PC680’s with max op temps of 176 deg F should be okay.  Would appreciate hearing of people’s flight experiences, firewall temperatures, and comments/advice related to a battery installations on firewalls.
 
Thanks,
 
Valin & Allyson Thorn
Legacy Project
Boulder, Colorado

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