Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67452
From: Ronald Stevens <ronald@sdc.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IV-P Recent Trip - more power settings
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:33:05 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Hello Craig

 

I am surprised about your stats, as I recall fuel flow values between 19 and 22gph were the area’s where the engine gets really beaten up? I might be wrong, but on my last flight I tried just to see where it peaks (TIT) and was actually surprised that it peaked at a lower TIT than before.

 

In other words, if you use ‘your TIT temp’ as your gauge than this might be off as it does change with altitude and OAT.

 

Now I am still not very comfortable looking for peak (even going from the lean side) but it will get your surprised sometimes. I usually go smooth and fast (within 4 secs) and then I just know it was higher, but by how much I do not really know as I do not want to be in the red box too long.

 

Now in the past I was leaning on a much smaller power setting like 60%, and when I knew and was less than 80% LOP I just bumped the throttle back to 75%, but I am not even sure if this is the right or perhaps totally wrong way.

 

But some of the values in your chart looks like dangerous territory….I just hope I am wrong with my assumption.

 

So my questions:

Were you always leaning and if so did you do this at that power setting?

Did you lean on TIT or first/last cylinder? (depending from which side you lean)

From the lean side or rich side?

 

== Ronald (>400hours IVP, n45HL, the rest I do not count lol)

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:14 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: IV-P Recent Trip - more power settings

 

Hello Craig,

 

Thank you very much for your picture. I got a lot of information out of it and spent quite some time looking at it – you can feed me a lot more of these before I will get tired of it…

 

I kept a log of my power settings on different flights for the last year and I found one setting that is very similar to yours – unfortunately I didn’t get that good of a tailwind

My fuel flow shows a little less – may be this is a calibration problem? My TAS shows higher – but mine comes from the bezel and is influenced by friction heating and air compression – it would make me very happy if someone on the list could give me a correction factor for my speeds/conditions.

 

When I put my scribbled notes in a spread sheet and sorted it to altitude and OAT I found something in my opinion very interesting: on the lower altitudes the OAT has very little influence on the speed. At the higher altitudes (>=FL180) you can clearly see how the airspeed decreases with increasing OAT because I need to run the engine at lower power settings to get similar TIT and CHT.

 

On low altitudes (<FL120) it seems I can feed my engine a lot more fuel without significant influence on the CHT (may be because of my plenum) - The high power setting at FL110 was more than 1.5 years ago – I kept it in there for reference and I won’t do this again

 

On some warm/humid days I just have the feeling my engine doesn’t like it at altitudes higher than FL190. I don’t like higher than FL230 because I don’t have winglets and it doesn’t feel that firm anymore

 

Info for the chart: TIT is my TIT2 - it is usually 40F warmer, TIT max is around 1720, warmest CHT is always #2 and CHT#1 comes close after it, the TAS comes from the bezel and would need to be corrected, all settings were in cruise for at least 45 min or so – sometimes up to 2 to 3 hours.

 

Ralf

 

 

Alt.

OAT

MAP

RPM

Fuel flow

TIT

CHT

IAS

TAS

% HP

ft

F

inHG

1/min

GPH

F

F

kts

kts

 

10

40

29.9

2,500

17.0

1,570

310

212

240

69%

10

45

32.2

2,500

18.1

1,600

322

208

248

73%

10

54

32.4

2,500

17.9

1,620

344

205

246

73%

11

35

33.8

2,500

20.8

1,690

356

220

260

84%

11

53

34.0

2,500

18.6

1,610

351

204

249

75%

12

34

32.3

2,500

17.9

1,590

318

205

251

73%

12

36

32.6

2,500

18.6

1,620

330

209

255

75%

12

47

32.3

2,500

17.9

1,610

344

203

251

73%

12

49

32.4

2,500

18.1

1,610

340

204

252

73%

16

40

32.4

2,500

17.8

1,620

366

199

264

72%

18

13

34.0

2,500

19.1

1,630

346

205

278

77%

18

28

32.3

2,500

18.0

1,620

362

194

265

73%

19

21

33.1

2,500

18.2

1,625

360

195

275

74%

19

26

32.4

2,500

17.9

1,620

366

196

276

73%

20

20

32.4

2,500

17.8

1,625

366

194

278

72%

20

20

32.4

2,500

18.1

1,625

362

194

278

73%

20

21

32.4

2,500

17.9

1,620

368

190

274

73%

20

32

32.3

2,500

17.3

1,620

377

186

270

70%

21

10

32.4

2,500

17.9

1,625

360

192

278

72%

21

18

32.4

2,500

17.7

1,620

370

191

280

72%

22

22

31.9

2,500

16.9

1,620

380

182

272

69%

23

0

32.4

2,500

17.7

1,620

368

190

284

72%

23

0

32.4

2,500

17.8

1,620

373

188

282

72%

23

13

32.3

2,500

17.1

1,630

379

185

280

69%

23

20

31.9

2,500

16.3

1,600

380

179

274

66%

 

 

From: marv@lancair.net [mailto:marv@lancair.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:47 PM
To: lml
Subject: Re: IV-P Recent Trip

 




Posted for Craig Berland <cberland@systems3.net>:

> I took this picture last Friday just to record the great tailwind.
> With the recent LOP talk, Oil Temp, etc….I thought some might find this
>interesting.
> I am LOP and from previous tests, about 8 kts slow of ROP.
> Craig Berland
> N7VG
>
>
>

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