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From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Baggage door potential disaster

Fibercraft installed latches and micro switches on my IVP and I think they d=
id a very good job.  The two latches operate very smoothly and the cable ope=
rated push button is in the cabin door frame at a location you can't access w=
ith this door closed. =20

The smart part of the system is that one switch logs the baggage door closed=
 against  the frame.  The other switch is on the forward latch mechanism. If=
 the latch does not slide closed over the lip of the door and the door is no=
t tight against the fuselage frame, the baggage door open annunciator will l=
ight up. It is possible to have the door closed enough to activate the first=
 micro switch but have the latch not positively engaged.  That is the beauty=
 of the second micro switch.

John

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On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:04 PM, "Brad Simmons" <dl60280@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> The 2 keys to making the push button work are getting the door catchs posi=
tioned such that the tapered part of the locking pin moves past the catch ed=
ge (many don't have these close enough), and creating smooth looping cable r=
uns to make the button pushing effort managable. It's certainly easier to in=
stall if the rearpressure bulkhead is not yet installed so you can see what y=
ou are doing from both sides!
>=20
> Brad Simmons
> Airframes Inc.
> 39 Airport Rd.
> Milan, TN  38358
> 731-686-3610
> 731-686-3613 fax
> www.airframesinc.com
>=20
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Weinsweig" <weinsweigd@gmail.com=
>
> To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:38 AM
> Subject: [LML] Baggage door potential disaster
>=20
>=20
> Early on in the flying of my Propjet, I headed home from Airventure after f=
illing the baggage compartment with toys for the kids and a folding chair wh=
ich was the last item I put in before closing the baggage door.  We equipped=
 the baggage door with the remote push button mod. The button was installed a=
s Brad suggested-hidden by the cabin door when closed and locked. At altitud=
e half way through the flight home, ATC asked me to turn left.  It was a nic=
e VFR day and I was hand flying so I made a steep left turn. Suddenly, while=
 in the bank, I heard a loud bang which caught my attention and significantl=
y elevated my heart rate. After verifying cabin pressurization was good, all=
 instruments were showing normal, and the plane flew properly, my first thou=
ght was that a gear door had blown open for some reason. The plane was flyin=
g fine though there was a slight sound of "wind" that persisted the rest of t=
he flight.
>=20
> After landing, I looked all around and under the plane.  Everything looked=
 fine until I noticed that I did not need to open the baggage door to get th=
e toys out as there was no baggage door!!  Amazingly, the only thing that bl=
ew out of the baggage compartment was the chair. All of the toys remained!
>=20
> I believe that when I made the steep bank the chair pushed against the doo=
r or perhaps the latch system causing the baggage door to open.  I was very f=
ortunate that there was no damage to the plane.  We made a new baggage door i=
nstalling the standard barrel locks which I believe are much more secure tha=
n the aftermarket push button system.
>=20
> I agree with Peter.  Although sleek and cool, the remote push button bagga=
ge door system is NOT reliable and is NOT safe IMHO.  Judging from the docum=
ented multiple failures of this system, I believe it should be avoided.
>=20
> David Weinsweig
> Propjet N750DW 315 hrs
>=20
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