X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:31:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6413519 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:02:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.207; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1F9B1700028F6 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.119] (24-107-98-233.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.98.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8CD45E0000B4; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:01:32 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C753ABEC-91E4-4F6C-9453-01F47068FF5E X-Original-Message-Id: <9CE1AC84-3572-42E5-9F3D-AF62279AD9C9@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Starter/Starter Adapter failed X-Original-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:01:29 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2905520833eb22f1 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.98.233 --Apple-Mail-C753ABEC-91E4-4F6C-9453-01F47068FF5E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 John, Your removal procedure is what is required to get it off the LIVP. I highly r= ecommend Niagara for starter and adapter overhaul. Jeff Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2013, at 6:09 PM, John Smith wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > Well =E2=80=93 its happened - the dreaded starter adapter failure at ~90h= rs TTIS!! >=20 > The engine was delivered late 2008 and and was first used in flight late 2= 010 =E2=80=93 so I'm well out of warranty time period. Anyways, beyond a fe= w hints a few hours prior, almost continuous slipping started almost overnig= ht =E2=80=93 very difficult to get a start, and nearly got stuck a little wa= y from home. >=20 > I did end up installing the Skytec at about 70hours. It ran the starts lik= e a trooper, until=E2=80=A6.. The ST3 seems to test fine according to Skyte= c recommended checks. As I still have the the old Iskra starter, I'm thinkin= g of installing this just to make absolutely certain that it is the adapter,= and not the starter motor =E2=80=93 but its a very long shot as I think the= ST3 is, not surprisingly, absolutely fine. >=20 > For what its worth, I can turn the starter adapter shaft quite easily both= ways, but may be only a quarter of a turn or so before sensing a "spring re= sistance" feel and, if one lets go of the shaft, it just "springs back" - sa= me in both directions of rotation. I'll be talking to engine engineers on M= onday, but does this all sound like a failed adapter? >=20 > My main question now =E2=80=93 has anyone had any experience of replacing t= he starter adapter on the IO-550 in a Legacy? Can it be done by lifting the e= ngine off the engine mount and moving it forwards a few inches? If this is p= ossible then it might come down to "just" disconnecting governor and throttl= e cables (may be mixture), remove a few cable ties to wiring and P-clamps on= fuel lines, and unbolt the rear exhaust hangers? Make sense, or is it reall= y a case of engine right out? >=20 > As it happens, the left hand side upper rear facing stud is really very lo= ng, and it doesn't seem possible to pull the adapter off this stud without m= oving the engine forward (BTW - this stud has been installed with two spacer= s setting the nut about 7/16 =E2=80=93 1/2" off the adapter housing itself =E2= =80=93 it is a TCM reman engine =E2=80=93 doesn't seem right to me, but may b= e there's good reason?) >=20 > Would be very grateful any tips and suggestions=E2=80=A6. Thanks! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > John N G Smith > Tel / fax: +61-8-9385-8891 > Mobile: +61-409-372-975 > Email: john@jjts.net.au >=20 >=20 > From: "pete@leapfrogventures.com" > Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List > Date: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 2:46 AM > To: > Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Starter/Starter Adapter >=20 > I would definitely go with the ST3 over the ST5. I did and am very happy w= ith it.=20 > =20 > As for the adapter, if you only have 50 hours, I would just replace the st= arter and wait. If the adapter fails later, fix it then. As they say, if i= t=E2=80=99s not broke, don=E2=80=99t fix it. I guess the risk is you might g= et stranded somewhere, but, as I recall when the adapter in my former Cirrus= started to slip, I could still start it once before it gave up the ghost. > =20 > Pete > =20 > From: John Smith [mailto:john@jjts.net.au]=20 > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:54 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Starter/Starter Adapter > =20 > Hi Ron, > =20 > No, it wasn't mine that was slipping but I'm on the case now to sort thing= s out before something fails. > =20 > I have a regular CMI starter adapter =E2=80=93 incidentally, one that does= not have a part number the subject of the AD 2012-10-13 issued recently (th= is one extended the applicability of the earlier AD on this subject to ALL e= ngines manufactured prior to Nov 2011 (not just in the period Jan 2011 to No= v 2011); but I do have an ISKRA starter. > =20 > I had been thinking of replacing the ISKRA unit with the SkyTec C24ST3 (th= e lower duty of the two suited to the IO550 =E2=80=93 being ..ST3 or ST5). > =20 > I noted your comments about the SkyTec unit "finishing the job"=E2=80=A6. I= 'm just wondering if that outcome might be related to the duff CMI starter a= dapters the subject of this AD? In other words, whilst the ISKRA starter do= es damage, certain starter adapters were doomed anyway? > =20 > My engine has about 50hours on it, and prob somewhere around 50 starts. > =20 > Whilst I like the light weight of the SkyTec ST3 unit (just over 6 lbs and= lower torque than the ST5, and my battery is in the back so SkyTec under th= is circumstance recommend the ST3 anyway), appreciate any views around wheth= er the SkyTec is a good option or not, and whether I should be overhauling t= he starter adapter? > =20 > Thanks! > =20 >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-C753ABEC-91E4-4F6C-9453-01F47068FF5E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
John,

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Your removal procedure is what is required to get it off the LIVP. I hi= ghly recommend Niagara for starter  and adapter overhaul.
Jeff

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 11, 2013, at 6= :09 PM, John Smith <john@jjts.net.au<= /a>> wrote:








Regards,<= font face=3D"Verdana,Helvetica,Arial">
John
John N G Smith
Tel / fax:    +61-8-9385-8891
Mobile:      +61-409-372-975
Email:         john@jjts.net.au


From: "pete@leapfrogventures.com" <pete@leapfrogventures.com>
Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 2:46 AM
To: <l= ml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Starter/Starter Adapter

I would definitely go with the ST3 over the ST5.  I did and am very ha= ppy with it. 

As fo= r the adapter, if you only have 50 hours, I would just replace the starter a= nd wait.  If the adapter fails later, fix it then.  As they say, i= f it=E2=80=99s not broke, don=E2=80=99t fix it.  I guess the risk is yo= u might get stranded somewhere, but, as I recall when the adapter in my form= er Cirrus started to slip, I could still start it once before it gave up the= ghost.

&n= bsp;

Pete<= span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(= 31, 73, 125); ">

 

From: Joh= n Smith [mailto:john@jjts.net.au] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:54 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LM= L] Re: Legacy Starter/Starter Adapter

 

Hi Ron,

 

No, it w= asn't mine that was slipping but I'm on the case now to sort things out befo= re something fails.

<= span style=3D"font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: bla= ck; "> 

I= have a regular CMI starter adapter =E2=80=93 incidentally, one that does no= t have a part number the subject of the AD 2012-10-13 issued recently (this o= ne extended the applicability of the earlier AD on this subject to ALL engin= es manufactured prior to Nov 2011 (not just in the period Jan 2011 to Nov 20= 11); but I do have an ISKRA starter.

 

I had been thinking of replacing the ISKRA unit with the SkyT= ec C24ST3 (the lower duty of the two suited to the IO550 =E2=80=93 being ..S= T3 or ST5).

 

I noted y= our comments about the SkyTec unit "finishing the job"=E2=80=A6. I'm just wo= ndering if that outcome might be related to the duff CMI starter adapters th= e subject of this AD?  In other words, whilst the ISKRA starter does da= mage, certain starter adapters were doomed anyway?

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">My engine has about 50hours on it, and prob som= ewhere around 50 starts.

 

Whilst I like the light weight of the SkyTec ST3 unit (just over 6 lbs a= nd lower torque than the ST5, and my battery is in the back so SkyTec under t= his circumstance recommend the ST3 anyway), appreciate any views around whet= her the SkyTec is a good option or not, and whether I should be overhauling t= he starter adapter?

<= span style=3D"font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: bla= ck; "> 

T= hanks!

<= o:p> 



Regards,

John

 

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