X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:47:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.13] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6412427 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:59:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.13; envelope-from=n5zq@verizon.net Received: from BillHP ([unknown] [173.72.172.118]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRB00EK6R5KVO90@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:58:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-Message-id: From: "Bill Harrelson" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:58:28 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06AC_01CE95C9.4EBA9960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06AC_01CE95C9.4EBA9960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, I would guess that what you mean by =E2=80=9Cnever use flaps=E2=80=9D is = that you leave them fully retracted for take off. In the 320/360, this = actually gives you negative or reflexed flaps, about 6 degrees if I = remember correctly. Using =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D flaps would require = extending them to the zero position. I would use this = =E2=80=9Czero=E2=80=9D position, i.e., flaps just out of reflex when = taking off in a strong gusty x-wind. Other than that I, like most = 320/360 pilots, use the matched-with-the-aileron method. You are = certainly correct in that the change from reflexed to out of reflex = produces a considerable pitch change in these airframes. In the IV this = effect is not nearly as pronounced. I would suggest that, with a little = practice, it=E2=80=99s rather easy to get used to this to the point that = you don=E2=80=99t even notice it.=20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 350 hrs=20 From: Matt=20 Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:02 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? I never use flaps on take off in my 360. If the runway is short to = require them I would probably not use that runway.=20 I don't use them because making trim changes close to the ground isn't = what I want to be doing. If I skip the flaps I get to skip one more = distraction at that critical point in the flight. I set my trim for = climb and don't mess with it till 1000 agl or higher.=20 Matt ------=_NextPart_000_06AC_01CE95C9.4EBA9960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matt,
 
I would guess that what you mean by = =E2=80=9Cnever use=20 flaps=E2=80=9D is that you leave them fully retracted for take off. In = the 320/360, this=20 actually gives you negative or reflexed flaps, about 6 degrees if I = remember=20 correctly. Using =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D flaps would require extending them = to the zero position. I=20 would use this =E2=80=9Czero=E2=80=9D position, i.e., flaps just out of = reflex when taking off=20 in a strong gusty x-wind. Other than that I, like most 320/360 pilots, = use the=20 matched-with-the-aileron method. You are certainly correct in that the = change=20 from reflexed to out of reflex produces a considerable pitch change in = these=20 airframes. In the IV this effect is not nearly as pronounced. I would = suggest=20 that, with a little practice, it=E2=80=99s rather easy to get used to = this to the point=20 that you don=E2=80=99t even notice it.
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
N6ZQ  IV  350 hrs
 
 
 
 
 
From:=20 Matt
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:02 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?
 
I never use flaps on take off in my 360. If the runway is short to = require=20 them I would probably not use that runway.
 
I don't use them because making trim changes close to the ground = isn't what=20 I want to be doing. If I skip the flaps I get to skip one more = distraction at=20 that critical point in the flight. I set my trim for climb and don't = mess with=20 it till 1000 agl or higher.
 
Matt

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