X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:58:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.202] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6412058 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:51:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.202; envelope-from=n5276j@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1E0FD70000090 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mlc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C650BE000081 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:50:44 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: steve X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D063D6FB0B9CFA_9D4_34A7C_webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37966-STANDARD Received: from 70.193.195.51 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:50:44 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8D063D6FB021776-9D4-FE45@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [70.193.195.51] X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:50:44 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b520629146d73 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D063D6FB0B9CFA_9D4_34A7C_webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I strongly disagree in a 360, first, no need to make trim changes close t= o the ground unless you retract the flaps if you set the trim properly for= take-off. If trim changes are a problem then just leave them down until hi= gh enough to feel comfortable. I agree with Bill why carry the extra speed = and length required for a no flap take-off. Remember the 320-360 flaps are = reflexed 7 degrees to kill lift and drag in cruise not take-off.=20 I made a no-flap take-off by accident once, not a good idea, and I was ligh= t with just me aboard. I have a electric trim tab on the elevator, so trim changes are easy whil= e retracting the flaps. May be a different story if I had a trim wheel or p= lans built trim where you could not do both at the same time easily, so I c= an see your point but still disagree, leave them down until able to retract= . Steve Alderman N25SA 360 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Matt To: lml Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 10:02 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? I never use flaps on take off in my 360. If the runway is short to require = them I would probably not use that runway.=20 I don't use them because making trim changes close to the ground isn't what= I want to be doing. If I skip the flaps I get to skip one more distraction= at that critical point in the flight. I set my trim for climb and don't me= ss with it till 1000 agl or higher.=20 Matt Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Dico Reijers wrote: Hi All, I am wondering how many people use flaps on take off with the IVP? I was t= old to use about 15 degrees of flaps. I've also discovered that I don't = like retracting the flaps unless the IAS is about 135knots IAS. No real re= ason other than I notice that you don't really feel the retraction as much = as you do at the lower speeds. So I guess I am wondering, if you only have a couple people on board (or ev= en a full load with lots of runway), do you use flaps? -Dico --=20 Regards, Dico Reijers InternetWorks Ltd. 300 University Avenue Charlottetown PE, C1A 4M4 902-892-4671 (T) 888-368-9484 (F) www.internetworks.ca www.apartmentspei.com ----------MB_8D063D6FB0B9CFA_9D4_34A7C_webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I  strongly disagree in a 360, first, no  need to make = trim changes close to the ground unless you retract the flaps if you  = set the trim properly for take-off. If trim changes are a problem then just= leave them down until high enough to feel comfortable. I agree with Bill w= hy carry the extra speed and length required for a no flap take-off. Rememb= er the 320-360 flaps are reflexed 7 degrees to kill lift and drag in c= ruise not take-off. 
 
I made a no-flap take-off by accident once, not a good idea, and I was= light with just me aboard.
 I have a electric trim tab on the elevator,  so trim change= s are easy while retracting the flaps. May be a different story if I had a = trim wheel or plans built trim where you could not do both at the same time= easily, so I can see your point but still disagree, leave them down until = able to retract.
 
Steve Alderman   N25SA 360 
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt <mattinlosangeles@yahoo.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 10:02 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?

I never use flaps on take off in my 360. If the runway is short to req= uire them I would probably not use that runway. 

I don't use them because making trim changes close to the ground isn't= what I want to be doing. If I skip the flaps I get to skip one more distra= ction at that critical point in the flight. I set my trim for climb and don= 't mess with it till 1000 agl or higher. 

Matt

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Dico Reijers <dico@internetworks.ca> wrote:

Hi All,

I am wondering how many people use flaps on take off with the IVP?  I = was told to use about 15 degrees of flaps.    I've also disc= overed that I don't like retracting the flaps unless the IAS is about 135kn= ots IAS.  No real reason other than I notice that you don't really fee= l the retraction as much as you do at the lower speeds.

So I guess I am wondering, if you only have a couple people on board (or ev= en a full load with lots of runway), do you use flaps?

-Dico


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