X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:16:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com ([209.85.192.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6411540 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:01:13 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.171; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id g10so963719pdj.16 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.17.230 with SMTP id r6mr13074080pbd.112.1376078436528; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.14] (71-212-109-224.tukw.qwest.net. [71.212.109.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a5sm21764673pbw.4.2013.08.09.13.00.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-46B54E7C-26B8-4122-8021-5F34D37CBD8B X-Original-Message-Id: <02654B3D-F144-4EA0-AAA4-2549546A5E8C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:00:33 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-46B54E7C-26B8-4122-8021-5F34D37CBD8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go use a long runway and try a no flap takeoff. You will notice a huge diff= erence. If you haven't done this it is a good training exercise. I'm told= to use 20 degrees flaps on takeoff, and you measure that by moving the stic= k to hold the left aileron to full down deflection. The flap will line up w= ith the aileron at 20 degrees. Also try a no flap landing on a long runway. You could be faced with the ne= ed to do that with hydraulic pressure loss. Hope this helps. John Barrett Sent from my iPad On Aug 9, 2013, at 12:44 PM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: > always use flaps in IVP > -----Original Message----- > From: Dico Reijers > To: lml > Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:30 pm > Subject: [LML] Flaps on take-off? >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > I am wondering how many people use flaps on take off with the IVP? I was t= old to use about 15 degrees of flaps. I've also discovered that I don't l= ike retracting the flaps unless the IAS is about 135knots IAS. No real reas= on other than I notice that you don't really feel the retraction as much as y= ou do at the lower spee > So I guess I am wondering, if you only have a couple people on board (or e= ven a full load with lots of runway), do you use flaps? >=20 > -Dico >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dico Reijers >=20 > InternetWorks Ltd. > 300 University Avenue > Charlottetown > PE, C1A 4M4 >=20 > 902-892-4671 (T) > 888-368-9484 (F) >=20 > www.internetworks.ca > www.apartmentspei.com --Apple-Mail-46B54E7C-26B8-4122-8021-5F34D37CBD8B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Go use a long runway and try a no flap takeoff.  You will notice a huge difference.  If you haven't done this it is a good training exercise.   I'm told to use 20 degrees flaps on takeoff, and you measure that by moving the stick to hold  the left aileron to full down deflection.  The flap will line up with the aileron at 20 degrees.

Also try a no flap landing on a long runway.  You could be faced with the need to do that with hydraulic pressure loss.

Hope this helps.

John Barrett

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On Aug 9, 2013, at 12:44 PM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote:

always use flaps in IVP
-----Original Message-----
From: Dico Reijers <dico@internetworks.ca>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:30 pm
Subject: [LML] Flaps on take-off?

Hi All,

I am wondering how many people use flaps on take off with the IVP?  I was told to use about 15 degrees of flaps.    I've also discovered that I don't like retracting the flaps unless the IAS is about 135knots IAS.  No real reason other than I notice that you don't really feel the retraction as much as you do at the lower spee
So I guess I am wondering, if you only have a couple people on board (or even a full load with lots of runway), do you use flaps?

-Dico


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Dico Reijers

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