Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #65755
From: David Weinsweig <weinsweigd@gmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Propjet
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:11:13 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hi Peter,

Although the Propjet obviously burns more fuel than a piston, your estimates are a bit high. I fully agree that I would prefer more than 125 gallons. 

However, 50 gallons for the first hour is high. My Propjet does burn 50+ gph on takeoff and at low altitude. However at 10-15 minutes to climb to cruise altitude with fuel burn at FL220-260 being 29-33 gph, range is somewhat more than you would expect. On descent near flight idle fuel burn can get down into the low 20's. 

As an example, I have flown nonstop from Key West to Huntington, WV with a headwind in 3:30 using all of my 112 gallons in the wings but still leaving me  34 gallons in my belly tank.  This averages out to 32 gph. 

On multiple flights I have estimated that I have right around 4:30 of flight time until dry starting with full fuel ( though I generally use my belly tank as my full hour of reserves and never get close to dry).  I have 146 usable gallons. Thus with 125 gallons one would estimate approximately 3 hours flight time plus legal Ifr reserves. 

I know nothing about the plane listed in your post but range would not be as bad as you suggest though I agree long range tanks are very desirable in a turbine. 

And yes you can climb at 4000 fpm(and descend at that too), cruise around 300 ktas and be airborne or stop once wheels down in 1000' feet.  No shock cooling. And boy does Jet A smell good, and the sound, and the cool factor!!!!

Wow what a plane!

Fly Safe,

David Weinsweig
N750DW Propjet 303 hours


From:PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation@hotmail.com>
Sender:<marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject:TURBINE 4P BACK FOR SALE $299,000
Date:Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:44:16 -0400
To:lml@lancaironline.net
Recently there was a Lancair 4 Turbine for sale at $250,000; it sold 

and now is back for on the market at $299,000

http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Experimental_Kit_Aircraft/Lancair/PropJet__4_for_sale_68010.html

the biggest shortcoming is that it has only 125 gallons of fuel.  figure 50 gallons the first hour and 35 gallons the second hour. that leaves you just over an hour fuel if you land at the two hour point. 
you say an hour fuel is excessive to land with, supposing that brings you to 10,000 feet, then your "cruise" hour of fuel is only 40 minutes.

but, hey you can climb at 4,000 feet a minute.

peter

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