X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com ([209.85.223.177] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6312151 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:12:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.177; envelope-from=weinsweigd@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u16so8878858iet.8 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.50.164 with SMTP id d4mr515641igo.69.1370578313881; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.27] (dynamic-acs-24-112-177-176.zoominternet.net. [24.112.177.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id it3sm15127841igb.0.2013.06.06.21.11.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:11:52 -0700 (PDT) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-58703768-09CD-4B19-9142-4D020A8EB625 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-Message-Id: <44A36065-DF11-4FBE-8633-B342F1BCD6D5@gmail.com> X-Original-Cc: "lml@lancaironline.net" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) From: David Weinsweig Subject: Propjet X-Original-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 00:11:51 -0400 X-Original-To: PETER WILLIAMS --Apple-Mail-58703768-09CD-4B19-9142-4D020A8EB625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter, Although the Propjet obviously burns more fuel than a piston, your estimates= are a bit high. I fully agree that I would prefer more than 125 gallons.=20= However, 50 gallons for the first hour is high. My Propjet does burn 50+ gph= on takeoff and at low altitude. However at 10-15 minutes to climb to cruise= altitude with fuel burn at FL220-260 being 29-33 gph, range is somewhat mor= e than you would expect. On descent near flight idle fuel burn can get down i= nto the low 20's.=20 As an example, I have flown nonstop from Key West to Huntington, WV with a h= eadwind in 3:30 using all of my 112 gallons in the wings but still leaving m= e 34 gallons in my belly tank. This averages out to 32 gph.=20 On multiple flights I have estimated that I have right around 4:30 of flight= time until dry starting with full fuel ( though I generally use my belly ta= nk as my full hour of reserves and never get close to dry). I have 146 usab= le gallons. Thus with 125 gallons one would estimate approximately 3 hours f= light time plus legal Ifr reserves.=20 I know nothing about the plane listed in your post but range would not be as= bad as you suggest though I agree long range tanks are very desirable in a t= urbine.=20 And yes you can climb at 4000 fpm(and descend at that too), cruise around 30= 0 ktas and be airborne or stop once wheels down in 1000' feet. No shock coo= ling. And boy does Jet A smell good, and the sound, and the cool factor!!!! Wow what a plane! Fly Safe, David Weinsweig N750DW Propjet 303 hours From: PETER WILLIAMS Sender: Subject: TURBINE 4P BACK FOR SALE $299,000 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:44:16 -0400 To: lml@lancaironline.net Recently there was a Lancair 4 Turbine for sale at $250,000; it sold=20 and now is back for on the market at $299,000 http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Experimental_Kit_Aircraft/Lancair= /PropJet__4_for_sale_68010.html the biggest shortcoming is that it has only 125 gallons of fuel. figure 50 g= allons the first hour and 35 gallons the second hour. that leaves you just o= ver an hour fuel if you land at the two hour point.=20 you say an hour fuel is excessive to land with, supposing that brings you to= 10,000 feet, then your "cruise" hour of fuel is only 40 minutes. but, hey you can climb at 4,000 feet a minute. peter --Apple-Mail-58703768-09CD-4B19-9142-4D020A8EB625 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Peter,

Although t= he Propjet obviously burns more fuel than a piston, your estimates are a bit= high. I fully agree that I would prefer more than 125 gallons.

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However, 50 gallons for the first hour is high. My Propjet doe= s burn 50+ gph on takeoff and at low altitude. However at 10-15 minutes to c= limb to cruise altitude with fuel burn at FL220-260 being 29-33 gph, range i= s somewhat more than you would expect. On descent near flight idle fuel burn= can get down into the low 20's.

As an example, I= have flown nonstop from Key West to Huntington, WV with a headwind in 3:30 u= sing all of my 112 gallons in the wings but still leaving me 34 gallon= s in my belly tank. This averages out to 32 gph.

On multiple flights I have estimated that I have right around 4:30 of f= light time until dry starting with full fuel ( though I generally use my bel= ly tank as my full hour of reserves and never get close to dry). I hav= e 146 usable gallons. Thus with 125 gallons one would estimate approximately= 3 hours flight time plus legal Ifr reserves.

I k= now nothing about the plane listed in your post but range would not be as ba= d as you suggest though I agree long range tanks are very desirable in a tur= bine.

And yes you can climb at 4000 fpm(and desce= nd at that too), cruise around 300 ktas and be airborne or stop once wheels d= own in 1000' feet. No shock cooling. And boy does Jet A smell good, an= d the sound, and the cool factor!!!!

Wow what a plane!

Fly Safe,

David Weinsweig

N= 750DW Propjet 303 hours

From:	PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation@hotmail.com&= gt;
Sender:	<marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject:	TURBINE 4P B= ACK FOR SALE $299,000
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Recently there was a Lancair 4= Turbine for sale at $250,000; it sold

and now is back for on t= he market at $299,000

http://w= ww.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Experimental_Kit_Aircraft/Lancair/PropJet= __4_for_sale_68010.html

the biggest shortcoming is that it has on= ly 125 gallons of fuel. figure 50 gallons the first hour and 35 gallon= s the second hour. that leaves you just over an hour fuel if you land at the= two hour point.
you say an hour fuel is excessive to land with, su= pposing that brings you to 10,000 feet, then your "cruise" hour of fuel is o= nly 40 minutes.

but, hey you can climb at 4,000 feet a minute.
peter

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