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[166.147.83.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ov2sm14978119pbc.34.2013.05.13.11.51.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A5E23807-7C16-4689-9414-773CA5458118 X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: challenging flight with the LNC2 yesterday X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:51:44 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-A5E23807-7C16-4689-9414-773CA5458118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are probably correct in that thinking? But flying in Navy fighters in t= he late 60's you had limited choice. It was either fly without auto pilot w= hen IFR conditions existed or don't fly. That's because there was NO autopi= lot. Guess which choice our bosses made for us? XM weather? We never even= dreamed of that. In reality, the challenges of flying IFR and with only di= rectional beacons, TACANS and omnis for Nav and using PAR approaches was cha= llenging and fun. =20 Not to disparage your cautious approach - the concept of not taking off with= out all systems go is a good idea - but I worry about the tendency today of= thinking the autopilot is a necessity. I think way too many of us don't pr= actice hands on instrument flying including take offs, departure procedures a= nd approaches. We'll be in a world of s@*# if George quits on us at a crit= ical time and we don't know how to handle it. Sort of akin to what happened to the folks on the French Airbus who were dri= ven from about 35K into the sea in a perfectly good airplane because the pil= ots didn't know how to recognize and deal with lack of airspeed indication. = HELLO!! My two cents. John Barrett Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Colyn Case wrote: > Somebody is going to call me not a "real" pilot but in the interest of get= ting from 99.995% safe to 99.999% safe (see my article this month) I'll say a= nyway that I personally won't launch IFR without: >=20 > functioning xm weather > fully functioning auto-pilot >=20 > accident stats say that adding a second pilot dramatically improves safety= . If you don't have that, auto-pilot is the next best thing. >=20 > "single pilot IFR is almost an emergency. the first thing that goes wro= ng after that IS an emergency." >=20 >=20 >=20 > Colyn >=20 > On May 12, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Keith Smith wrote: >=20 > Hi Jim, >=20 > The heading hold isn't reliable and the alt hold eventually gets into a PI= O after a few minutes, especially if you try to transmit on the radio. I've g= otten used to doing 3 1/2hr legs without it at this point. I engage it for b= rief periods if I need to reorganize the cockpit or eat lunch. >=20 > Keith >=20 >=20 > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:38 PM, James Collins wrote: >> What happened To your auto pilot. I know you had one. Nice report. I've a= lso seen some of your trips on YouTube always great. >>=20 >> =46rom Jim Collins iPad=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On May 1, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Robert R Pastusek wrote= : >>=20 >>> Keith, >>> Very nice report. Did you notice that with the weather conditions you ex= perienced, you normally pick up ice at/very near the cloud tops? I=E2=80=99v= e noticed this to be true over a rather surprising range of OATs=E2=80=A6 Le= sson for me has been, don=E2=80=99t dawdle in and out of the tops=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Bob >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of K= eith Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:58 PM >>> To: lml@lancaironline.net >>> Subject: [LML] challenging flight with the LNC2 yesterday >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Flew the LNC2 to Kentucky today for the condition inspection. This was a= tricky flight. I briefed the weather in some detail the night before to get= a feel for tops (9-12k along the route of flight), convective activity (non= e), likelihood of icing (possible above 9k), winds (hairy at 30kt headwind i= nitially, then 5-10kt later on). >>>=20 >>> Verified the weather this morning, then set off from N07-K24. Cleared ro= ute was "upon entering controlled airspace, direct Chatham NDB, vectors LANN= A V30 ETX V39 MRB ESL V4 HVQ AZQ LOZ, direct." >>>=20 >>> Picked up the clearance via phone, told the controller I could depart VFR= , he was happy to hear it, so off I went. This complicated things slightly a= s I now needed to talk to Caldwell tower (KCDW) immediately after departure s= ince my route of flight would take me through their airspace. The challenge w= ould be to talk to them and get a freq change to NY Approach before butting u= p against the next Delta, which was Morristown (KMMU). Caldwell cut me loose= as I was passing abeam the tower, so I checked in with NY Approach who quic= kly identified me, got me onto a 180 heading and climbed me to 7000. Once th= ey had me above the Newark arrival stream, they turned me west towards SBJ (= not on the original plan, but easily added to the flight plan and backed up w= ith the VOR receiver a few seconds after that). >>>=20 >>> I spent the next 2 hours or so not being able to see a darned thing, whi= ch is pretty tiring when you're hand flying. The workload was absolutely rel= entless between wind shifts, updrafts and downdrafts, monitoring outside air= temps, turning the ram air on and off when going in and out of precip, and m= onitoring inlet air temperature (carb temp), employing carb heat, etc. I can= not stress the importance of having a carb temp gauge in non-fuel injected a= ircraft that flies IFR. >>>=20 >>> The first 2/3 of the flight generally took place at around 8000ft, almos= t entirely in stratus clouds with light to moderate precip and a smooth ride= . It's hard to explain or recall the sights and sounds of the trip, but here= are the 3 most memorable parts: >>> 1) Keeping close track of temps at 8k, 9k and then 10k, eventually hitti= ng ice at 10k, dropping back down to 9k and watching the ice go "buh bye"...= .twice. >>>=20 >>> 2) Getting tired of being in IMC and in and out of performance-robbing c= louds, I had a pretty good feeling that if I could get on top, life would be= a lot better. I was able to get the climb from 8-10k but the controller sai= d it would be a few moments before he could get me higher. The OAT was dropp= ing, and I knew I had a very, very narrow window to get this climb done, or I= was going to have to drop back down and try again later, or not at all). Ju= st as the first crystals of ice start forming on the canopy, I receive the c= limb to 11k. By then, the speed has wound up a bit, and I have the ability t= o trade it for a quick zoom to 11k where I can sense by the change in lighti= ng that I should pretty much be on top. Sure enough, at about 10,800, with 1= 15kias (ie, just about out of gas in the zoom), I pop out on top, the OAT im= mediately shoots up to +6C and the ice quickly disappears. I have nothing bu= t blue skies above, and every cloud I can see out to the horizon is below me= . Success. I let the speed wind up, carb heat off, ram air on and off we go i= n 'go fast' mode at last, free of the shackles of IMC. It was a calculated r= isk, and it paid off. My workload went down to near 0 for the next hour as I= enjoyed the view. As it happens, the tops eventually dropped down to around= 7k, but I stayed at 11k as the fuel burn was lower in any case and the wind= s were pretty light by that point. >>>=20 >>> 3) best descent phase I think I've ever had...continuous descent from 11= k down to 3600ft for the IAF, except for one level off at 6k to bleed off so= me speed prior to entering the tops again, in case the ride wasn't as smooth= . Shot RNAV RWY 17 approach at around 180kias because I knew it would be VMC= below 3k and I was planning on doing a low approach to greet my friend at t= he field anyway. Broke out, got 500ft below the clouds while remaining on th= e approach, canceled IFR. Spotted what I thought was the field, but the angl= e didn't quite right. It was close, but not quite. I was on the final approa= ch course, but the airport looked slightly off center and the runway was abo= ut 20 degrees off. I double checked the plate to see how the final approach c= ourse related to the runway orientation and noted it was straight in. I look= ed more closely outside and noticed the airport dead ahead, about 1.5nm away= . I left the power where it was, pitched down a little more and savored the 2= 15kias low approach that followed. Slow pullup at the end (actually, at that= speed, it was more a case of releasing some of the pressure on the stick, a= llowing the plane to do what it wanted to do which was climb). 700ft into th= e climb (a few seconds later), start the crosswind turn, power to 12" and se= t myself the challenge of not touching that again since the winds were pract= ically dead, making for a very predictable pattern. Gear...flaps, base, more= flaps, what an amazing view. Turned a 1/4 mile final (tight pattern today),= one more GUMP check and a nice touchdown to end a truly interesting flight.= >>>=20 >>> What struck me after landing was that this was a really challenging flig= ht, not because of stick & rudder, but because of the thought process and de= cision making a long the way. I could've absolutely stayed at 4-6k the whole= way, been miserable, flown slowly and gotten there in one piece, but took a= calculated risk to get on top and then reaped the rewards with a much reduc= ed workload. >>>=20 >>> It also occurred to me that flying by reference to instruments for 2 hou= rs straight was tiring, but not especially difficult. I can definitely credi= t the simulator with having helped with that task. I fly a couple of times a= week (enroute and approaches) and never feel rusty when getting in the airp= lane, even if I haven't flown in IMC for 4-5 months. >>>=20 >>> If you're thinking about getting an instrument rating but haven't done i= t...you're missing out on whole new world of sights, sounds, utility, challe= nges and fun. Do it! >>>=20 >>> Keith Smith >>>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-A5E23807-7C16-4689-9414-773CA5458118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are probably correct in that think= ing?  But flying in Navy fighters in the late 60's you had limited choi= ce.  It was either fly without auto pilot when IFR conditions existed o= r don't fly.  That's because there was NO autopilot.  Guess which c= hoice our bosses made for us?  XM weather?  We never even dreamed o= f that.  In reality, the challenges of flying IFR and with only directi= onal beacons, TACANS and omnis for Nav and using PAR approaches was challeng= ing and fun.  

Not to disparage your cautious a= pproach - the concept of not taking off without all systems go is a good ide= a  - but I worry about the tendency today of thinking the autopilot is a= necessity.  I think way too many of us don't practice hands on instrum= ent flying including take offs, departure procedures and approaches.  W= e'll be in a world  of s@*# if George quits on us at a critical time an= d we don't know how to handle it.

Sort of akin to w= hat happened to the folks on the French Airbus who were driven from about 35= K into the sea in a perfectly good airplane because the pilots didn't know h= ow to recognize and deal with lack of airspeed indication.  HELLO!!

My two cents.

John Barrett


Sent from my iPad


On= May 13, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:

Somebody is going to call me not a "real" pilot but in the i= nterest of getting from 99.995% safe to 99.999% safe (see my article this mo= nth) I'll say anyway that I personally won't launch IFR without:

functioning xm weather
fully functioning auto-pilot
accident stats say that adding a second pilot dramatically impr= oves safety.   If you don't have that, auto-pilot is the next best thin= g.

"single pilot IFR is almost an emergency.  =  the first thing that goes wrong after that IS an emergency."



Colyn

On May 12, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Keith Smith wrote:

Hi Jim,

The heading hold isn'= t reliable and the alt hold eventually gets into a PIO after a few minutes, e= specially if you try to transmit on the radio. I've gotten used to doing 3 1= /2hr legs without it at this point.  I engage it for brief periods if I= need to reorganize the cockpit or eat lunch.

Keith


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:38 PM, James Collins &= lt;jcollins@snet.net<= /a>> wrote:
What happened To your a= uto pilot. I know you had one. Nice report. I've also seen some of your trip= s on YouTube always great.

=46rom Jim Collins iPad 

Keith,
Very nice report. Did you notice that with the weather conditions you experi= enced, you normally pick up ice at/very near the cloud tops? I=E2=80=99ve no= ticed this to be true over a rather surprising range of OATs=E2=80=A6 Lesson= for me has been, don=E2=80=99t dawdle in and out of the tops=E2=80=A6

 

Bob

 

= From: Lancair Mailing List [ma= ilto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Keith Smith
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:58 PM
To: lml@la= ncaironline.net
Subject: [LML] challenging flight with the LNC2 yesterday

 

Flew the LNC2 to K= entucky today for the condition inspection. This was a tricky flight. I brie= fed the weather in some detail the night before to get a feel for tops (9-12= k along the route of flight), convective activity (none), likelihood of icing (possible above 9k), winds (hairy at 3= 0kt headwind initially, then 5-10kt later on).

Verified the weather this morning, then set off from N07-K24. Cleared route w= as "upon entering controlled airspace, direct Chatham NDB, vectors LANNA V30= ETX V39 MRB ESL V4 HVQ AZQ LOZ, direct."

Picked up the clearance via phone, told the controller I could depart VFR, h= e was happy to hear it, so off I went. This complicated things slightly as I= now needed to talk to Caldwell tower (KCDW) immediately after departure sin= ce my route of flight would take me through their airspace. The challenge would be to talk to them and get a= freq change to NY Approach before butting up against the next Delta, which w= as Morristown (KMMU). Caldwell cut me loose as I was passing abeam the tower= , so I checked in with NY Approach who quickly identified me, got me onto a 180 heading and climbed me to 7000= . Once they had me above the Newark arrival stream, they turned me west towa= rds SBJ (not on the original plan, but easily added to the flight plan and b= acked up with the VOR receiver a few seconds after that).

I spent the next 2 hours or so not being able to see a darned thing, which i= s pretty tiring when you're hand flying. The workload was absolutely relentl= ess between wind shifts, updrafts and downdrafts, monitoring outside air tem= ps, turning the ram air on and off when going in and out of precip, and monitoring inlet air temperature (= carb temp), employing carb heat, etc. I cannot stress the importance of havi= ng a carb temp gauge in non-fuel injected aircraft that flies IFR.

The first 2/3 of the flight generally took place at around 8000ft, almost en= tirely in stratus clouds with light to moderate precip and a smooth ride. It= 's hard to explain or recall the sights and sounds of the trip, but here are= the 3 most memorable parts:
1) Keeping close track of temps at 8k, 9k and then 10k, eventually hitting i= ce at 10k, dropping back down to 9k and watching the ice go "buh bye"....twi= ce.

2) Getting tired of being in IMC and in and out of performance-robbing cloud= s, I had a pretty good feeling that if I could get on top, life would be a l= ot better. I was able to get the climb from 8-10k but the controller said it= would be a few moments before he could get me higher. The OAT was dropping, and I knew I had a very, very= narrow window to get this climb done, or I was going to have to drop back d= own and try again later, or not at all). Just as the first crystals of ice s= tart forming on the canopy, I receive the climb to 11k. By then, the speed has wound up a bit, and I have= the ability to trade it for a quick zoom to 11k where I can sense by the ch= ange in lighting that I should pretty much be on top. Sure enough, at about 1= 0,800, with 115kias (ie, just about out of gas in the zoom), I pop out on top, the OAT immediately shoots= up to +6C and the ice quickly disappears. I have nothing but blue skies abo= ve, and every cloud I can see out to the horizon is below me. Success. I let= the speed wind up, carb heat off, ram air on and off we go in 'go fast' mode at last, free of the shackl= es of IMC. It was a calculated risk, and it paid off. My workload went down t= o near 0 for the next hour as I enjoyed the view. As it happens, the tops ev= entually dropped down to around 7k, but I stayed at 11k as the fuel burn was lower in any case and the wind= s were pretty light by that point.

3) best descent phase I think I've ever had...continuous descent from 11k do= wn to 3600ft for the IAF, except for one level off at 6k to bleed off some s= peed prior to entering the tops again, in case the ride wasn't as smooth. Sh= ot RNAV RWY 17 approach at around 180kias because I knew it would be VMC below 3k and I was planning on doing= a low approach to greet my friend at the field anyway. Broke out, got 500ft= below the clouds while remaining on the approach, canceled IFR. Spotted wha= t I thought was the field, but the angle didn't quite right. It was close, but not quite. I was on the fin= al approach course, but the airport looked slightly off center and the runwa= y was about 20 degrees off. I double checked the plate to see how the final a= pproach course related to the runway orientation and noted it was straight in. I looked more closely outs= ide and noticed the airport dead ahead, about 1.5nm away. I left the power w= here it was, pitched down a little more and savored the 215kias low approach= that followed. Slow pullup at the end (actually, at that speed, it was more a case of releasing some of t= he pressure on the stick, allowing the plane to do what it wanted to do whic= h was climb). 700ft into the climb (a few seconds later), start the crosswin= d turn, power to 12" and set myself the challenge of not touching that again since the winds were practi= cally dead, making for a very predictable pattern. Gear...flaps, base, more f= laps, what an amazing view. Turned a 1/4 mile final (tight pattern today), o= ne more GUMP check and a nice touchdown to end a truly interesting flight.

What struck me after landing was that this was a really challenging flight, n= ot because of stick & rudder, but because of the thought process and dec= ision making a long the way. I could've absolutely stayed at 4-6k the whole w= ay, been miserable, flown slowly and gotten there in one piece, but took a calculated risk to get on top and= then reaped the rewards with a much reduced workload.

It also occurred to me that flying by reference to instruments for 2 hours s= traight was tiring, but not especially difficult. I can definitely credit th= e simulator with having helped with that task. I fly a couple of times a wee= k (enroute and approaches) and never feel rusty when getting in the airplane, even if I haven't flown in I= MC for 4-5 months.

If you're thinking about getting an instrument rating but haven't done it...= you're missing out on whole new world of sights, sounds, utility, challenges= and fun. Do it!

Keith Smith



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