X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTP id 6243262 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 03 May 2013 16:47:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.203; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.131]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4B42F7000410F for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 16:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.91.46.162] (unknown [166.147.97.191]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 6AFE5E0000E2; Fri, 3 May 2013 16:46:51 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6D57BC18-BB47-42B6-8D21-A09A7DAF3F83 Message-Id: <21FD9AF1-E765-48DF-A95D-B3DACC34F1CB@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:46:47 -0500 To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1367614012; bh=qkJQpGI06h2ust49KQKEQbuQGY21/Cpvah2LRnD5U1g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=BGAjh7qb22zzb4K9EAE7nlZE0YTacShlkvzAaruA/RFq7zAdzy0R5MDPP14PmI0IV 6msPQwgy0346zgId4vd9kPjLSGJlMlZBHrWCAuUEo1py3mCXGzxiSUT+Qsu+h7O0My j/PpX5hRfIaVOVBjmekONPdFzHKq14VBaiNtXJRw= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412006368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33835184223b2e3c X-AOL-IP: 166.147.97.191 --Apple-Mail-6D57BC18-BB47-42B6-8D21-A09A7DAF3F83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dog refused to cooperate with investigators. Lawyerd up. Accident was 11/29/= 2010 in Hubbard, Or. N42BK Jeff=20 On May 3, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Whitaker wr= ote: > Was the dog the cause of the accident? >=20 > From: "vtailjeff@aol.com" > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:29 PM > Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog >=20 > Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy and his unre= strained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, pilot did n= ot. Just saying.... > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Czabaranek > To: lml > Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm > Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog >=20 > I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360.=20 > =20 > I got him a harness marketed for securing large dogs in the back of your c= ar. My harnesses attach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving the phenolic ha= rdpoints in the aft bulkhead available to attach the dog. A U-bolt anchor o= n each side, 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and an 18" long "shockle" m= ade from 1" tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps him secure in the back but= free to stand up and turn around. I made the shockle, but I know you can b= uy one. > =20 > I use large mutt muffs on the Vizsla. I have medium muffs for my 65lb gre= yhound (also fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell). Th= e dogs resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration o= f a 6hr flight. Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em= off. The muffs must be doing something positive for them. > =20 > Your dog wont need 02. If your only responsibility is sitting in the back= seat, you are fine below 25,000. At 16k cognitive ability might be reduce= d and the pup might have an easier time sleeping but no harm done. > =20 > Joe Cz > N424DH =20 > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan Ballin wrote: > This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear thoughts on taking a 4= 0 lbs Aussie in a Legacy. >=20 > Issues are: > Crate- thinking about a soft crate. Hard to imagine getting something big= ger in the back >=20 > Hearing - Probably Mutt Muffs >=20 > O2 - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any exp= erience with dogs? Any vets out there? >=20 > Dan Ballin > LEG2 N386DM about 120 hrs >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6D57BC18-BB47-42B6-8D21-A09A7DAF3F83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dog refused to cooperate with investig= ators. Lawyerd up. Accident was 11/29/2010 in Hubbard, Or. N42BK


Jeff 

On May 3, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Whitak= er <brucewhitaker67877@ya= hoo.com> wrote:

Was the dog the cause= of the accident?


Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy a= nd his unrestrained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, p= ilot did not. Just saying....
 
 
----= -Original Message-----
From: Joseph Czabaranek <joecz= abaranek@gmail.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog

I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360. 
 
 I got him a harness marketed for securing large dogs in the back o= f your car.  My harnesses attach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving th= e phenolic hardpoints in the aft bulkhead available to attach the dog. = A U-bolt anchor on each side, 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and an 1= 8" long "shockle" made from 1" tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps him sec= ure in the back but free to stand up and turn around.  I made the shock= le, but I know you can buy one.
 
I use large mutt muffs on the Vizsla.  I have medium muffs for my 6= 5lb greyhound (also fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hel= l).  The dogs resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on for t= he duration of a 6hr flight.  Before Ive cleared the runway after touch= down they strip em off.  The muffs must be doing something positive for= them.
 
Your dog wont need 02.  If your only responsibility is sitting in t= he back seat, you are fine below 25,000.   At 16k cognitive a= bility might be reduced and the pup might have an easier time sleeping b= ut no harm done.
 
Joe Cz
N424DH  
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan B= allin <dballin@gmail.c= om> wrote:
This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear thoughts on taking= a 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy.

Issues are:
Crate- thinking about a soft crate.  Hard to imagine getting something b= igger in the back

Hearing - Probably Mutt Muffs

O2  - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any e= xperience with dogs?  Any vets out there?

Dan Ballin
LEG2 N386DM = ; about 120 hrs



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