X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.58.247] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTP id 6241024 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 May 2013 19:38:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.247; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [198.18.181.141] (unknown [190.248.8.82]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MM7000HW2Y70R60@nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 May 2013 23:37:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-02_10:2013-05-02,2013-05-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1305020251 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog References: From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5B13F768-9F63-4B6D-B857-FF19594B5A9A X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: X-Original-Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 18:37:18 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-5B13F768-9F63-4B6D-B857-FF19594B5A9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valid point. I need to do something about that.=20 Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 16:29, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: > Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy and his unre= strained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, pilot did n= ot. Just saying.... > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Czabaranek > To: lml > Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm > Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog >=20 > I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360.=20 > =20 > I got him a harness marketed for securing large dogs in the back of your c= ar. My harnesses attach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving the phenolic ha= rdpoints in the aft bulkhead available to attach the dog. A U-bolt anchor o= n each side, 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and an 18" long "shockle" m= ade from 1" tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps him secure in the back but= free to stand up and turn around. I made the shockle, but I know you can b= uy one. > =20 > I use large mutt muffs on the Vizsla. I have medium muffs for my 65lb gre= yhound (also fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell). Th= e dogs resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration o= f a 6hr flight. Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em= off. The muffs must be doing something positive for them. > =20 > Your dog wont need 02. If your only responsibility is sitting in the back= seat, you are fine below 25,000. At 16k cognitive ability might be reduce= d and the pup might have an easier time sleeping but no harm done. > =20 > Joe Cz > N424DH =20 > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan Ballin wrote: >> This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear thoughts on taking a= 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy. >>=20 >> Issues are: >> Crate- thinking about a soft crate. Hard to imagine getting something bi= gger in the back >>=20 >> Hearing - Probably Mutt Muffs >>=20 >> O2 - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any ex= perience with dogs? Any vets out there? >>=20 >> Dan Ballin >> LEG2 N386DM about 120 hrs >=20 --Apple-Mail-5B13F768-9F63-4B6D-B857-FF19594B5A9A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Valid point. I need to do something about that. 



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On May 2, 2013, at 16:29, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote:

Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy and his unrestrained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, pilot did not. Just saying....
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Czabaranek <joeczabaranek@gmail.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog

I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360. 
 
 I got him a harness marketed for securing large dogs in the back of your car.  My harnesses attach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving the phenolic hardpoints in the aft bulkhead available to attach the dog.  A U-bolt anchor on each side, 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and an 18" long "shockle" made from 1" tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps him secure in the back but free to stand up and turn around.  I made the shockle, but I know you can buy one.
 
I use large mutt muffs on the Vizsla.  I have medium muffs for my 65lb greyhound (also fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell).  The dogs resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration of a 6hr flight.  Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em off.  The muffs must be doing something positive for them.
 
Your dog wont need 02.  If your only responsibility is sitting in the back seat, you are fine below 25,000.   At 16k cognitive ability might be reduced and the pup might have an easier time sleeping but no harm done.
 
Joe Cz
N424DH  
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan Ballin <dballin@gmail.com> wrote:
This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear thoughts on taking a 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy.

Issues are:
Crate- thinking about a soft crate.  Hard to imagine getting something bigger in the back

Hearing - Probably Mutt Muffs

O2  - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any experience with dogs?  Any vets out there?

Dan Ballin
LEG2 N386DM  about 120 hrs

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