X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.218.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with SMTP id 6241193 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 May 2013 22:21:41 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.218.226; envelope-from=brucewhitaker67877@yahoo.com Received: from [98.137.12.188] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:21:07 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.224] by tm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:21:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:21:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 7964.87479.bm@omp1032.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 31902 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2013 02:21:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LqbvSALWKn0PxW9wIYSPWFSClIlt0ejffX2GqWT73NiPd7GdvAMC+yv4zmzd8eyCKE7+cKXi6fC1EPAoKmQZdEdATu4h/173qH58gMR6dvB3imMJx4zSVuijAPsEbaGZ0w8NDEpVVyHFmY9yIo+eL0C1ydJ6MOW27Zeablmumk8=; X-YMail-OSG: VyyRQNwVM1m0OOLDIga6F4oK91BN3yzAk.1d7etoOB2_i7Y cC7Nei8OBb4IETQnVclFjD3.P1DnIW_Dy_ZQFtxC1aSvIgajwttIVLRbIZxM 52_SzBHdLArwmZ2NHUwmG9I5YBEwd3QQQgBWwk.n7jAwAdrjeo8L8w.mUakE VMzKLcoeiVLJjlkEV0EG7burThNLZNXAo_rF9ETKBSiZl3tazNf8DelrHqa7 gfXbd9gVwt4.ZD7TwYGy6Er7Rwq1b8EuVDKmj9_8gRGAQJIckHBCzuKKdOx0 v7abpjYNkKLY8QtdXQQYtPwMvixGDioE5UHEjOZOOameLkevJM91KcS_TR5G 5Snpg0BuMJeE53ce0jIESPS9h_omkcucK_NaASaE9UVeOt2rNDqNL63pQm.v j72q9ZgU1tLXsYeym7VSBgAZ3hwr4M4pBiaSSjn_FvRIvO981MrvehwpHiWr q7OXM5PX_yjfjT2w5PdjtqSyWH76175kkyNiL2CCwOZz1wnuCCsYIj36eqfr 7GxijH07G87R14nNcCK_9MKvi Received: from [204.120.196.53] by web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2013 19:21:06 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,V2FzIHRoZSBkb2cgdGhlIGNhdXNlIG9mIHRoZSBhY2NpZGVudD8KCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206ICJ2dGFpbGplZmZAYW9sLmNvbSIgPHZ0YWlsamVmZkBhb2wuY29tPgpUbzogbG1sQGxhbmNhaXJvbmxpbmUubmV0IApTZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgTWF5IDIsIDIwMTMgNDoyOSBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbTE1MXSBSZTogVHJhdmVsaW5nIHdpdGggYSBkb2cKIAoKCkJyaW5ncyB0byBtaW5kIGEgMzYwIGFjY2lkZW50IGluIE9yZWdvbiBpbnZvbHZpbmcgTXIuIEtlbm5lZHkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.141.536 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1367547666.31170.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Whitaker Reply-To: Bruce Whitaker Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="547783885-1667919445-1367547666=:31170" --547783885-1667919445-1367547666=:31170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was the dog the cause of the accident?=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0A From: "vtailjeff@aol.com" =0ATo: lml@lancairo= nline.net =0ASent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:29 PM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Trave= ling with a dog=0A =0A=0A=0ABrings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involvi= ng Mr. Kennedy and his unrestrained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeof= f, dog survived, pilot did not. Just saying....=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A-----Original= Message-----=0AFrom: Joseph Czabaranek =0ATo: lml= =0ASent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm=0ASubject: [LML] = Re: Traveling with a dog=0A=0A=0AI regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the= back of my 360.=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0I got him a harness marketed for securing la= rge dogs in the back of your car.=A0 My harnesses attach to the overhead ha= rdpoints, leaving the phenolic hardpoints in the aft bulkhead available to = attach the dog.=A0 A U-bolt anchor on each side, 3/16" cord from REI betwee= n the two, and an 18" long "shockle" made from 1" tubular webbing and bunge= e cord keeps him secure in the back but free to stand up and turn around.= =A0 I made the shockle, but I know you can buy one.=0A=A0=0AI use large mut= t muffs on the Vizsla.=A0 I have medium muffs for my 65lb greyhound (also f= its in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell).=A0 The dogs resi= sted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration of a 6hr f= light.=A0 Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em off.= =A0 The muffs must be doing something positive for them.=0A=A0=0AYour dog w= ont need 02.=A0 If your only responsibility is sitting in the back seat,=A0= you are fine below 25,000.=A0=A0 At 16k cognitive ability might be reduced = and the pup=A0might have an easier time sleeping but no harm done.=0A=A0=0A= Joe Cz=0AN424DH=A0=A0 =0A=0AOn Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan Ballin wrote:=0A=0AThis has come up on occasion, but would like to= hear thoughts on taking a 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy.=0A>=0A>=0AIssues are:= =0A>=0ACrate- thinking about a soft crate.=A0 Hard to imagine getting somet= hing bigger in the back=0A>=0A>=0AHearing - Probably Mutt Muffs=0A>=0A>=0AO= 2=A0 - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any exp= erience with dogs?=A0 Any vets out there?=0A>=0A>Dan Ballin=0A>LEG2 N386DM= =A0 about 120 hrs=0A> --547783885-1667919445-1367547666=:31170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was the dog the cause of the accident?

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From: "vtailjeff@aol.com" <vtailjeff@aol.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:29 PM
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=0ABrings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy and= his unrestrained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, p= ilot did not. Just saying....
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=0AFrom: Joseph Czabaranek <joeczabaranek@gmail.com>
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=0A=0A<= div>I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360. 
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 I got him a harness marketed = for securing large dogs in the back of your car.  My harnesses attach = to the overhead hardpoints, leaving the phenolic hardpoints in the aft bulk= head available to attach the dog.  A U-bolt anchor on each side, 3/16"= cord from REI between the two, and an 18" long "shockle" made from 1" tubu= lar webbing and bungee cord keeps him secure in the back but free to stand = up and turn around.  I made the shockle, but I know you can buy one.=0A=0A=0A=0A
 
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I use large mutt muffs on th= e Vizsla.  I have medium muffs for my 65lb greyhound (also fits in the= 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell).  The dogs resisted th= em at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration of a 6hr flight.&= nbsp; Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em off. = ; The muffs must be doing something positive for them.
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Your dog wont need 02.  If your only respo= nsibility is sitting in the back seat, you are fine below 25,000. = ;  At 16k cognitive ability might be reduced and the pup might ha= ve an easier time sleeping but no harm done.
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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:= 02 AM, Dan Ballin <d= ballin@gmail.com> wrote:
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This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear = thoughts on taking a 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy.
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