X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTP id 6240780 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 May 2013 17:33:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.203; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2E97470032DD9 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 17:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mnd003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.107.9]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0509AE00008A for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 17:29:29 -0400 (EDT) References: To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D0159342F4D28D_978_6C620_webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37688-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.5) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 May 2013 17:29:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8D0159342D84201-978-1BE9A@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 17:29:28 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1367530169; bh=9EDjaNps6ujnd4867Ofmu91EKxMPzIBSN6YCXfMhV80=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SiZLy9fwuqMzDqFNqxU2zVBRlLIZh2xMZl+8OWtV67FHMCAE1/n66BK5VEUiKg8Fe 2eWYfNtEzZVvV0iauUSfyEG47ufn50ZVklcahTMhwBF0oxjb6JxxkU73I7P9TdWRuL QB9mRz7aLUV90mR4WwRJqvQD1rO9yssCTejw4vuY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407617632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29085182dab94862 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D0159342F4D28D_978_6C620_webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy and his unres= trained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, pilot did n= ot. Just saying.... -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Czabaranek To: lml Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360.=20 =20 I got him a harness marketed for securing large dogs in the back of your c= ar. My harnesses attach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving the phenolic h= ardpoints in the aft bulkhead available to attach the dog. A U-bolt anchor= on each side, 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and an 18" long "shockl= e" made from 1" tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps him secure in the bac= k but free to stand up and turn around. I made the shockle, but I know you= can buy one. =20 I use large mutt muffs on the Vizsla. I have medium muffs for my 65lb grey= hound (also fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell). Th= e dogs resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration= of a 6hr flight. Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip= em off. The muffs must be doing something positive for them. =20 Your dog wont need 02. If your only responsibility is sitting in the back = seat, you are fine below 25,000. At 16k cognitive ability might be reduce= d and the pup might have an easier time sleeping but no harm done. =20 Joe Cz N424DH =20 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan Ballin wrote: This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear thoughts on taking a 4= 0 lbs Aussie in a Legacy. Issues are: Crate- thinking about a soft crate. Hard to imagine getting something bigg= er in the back Hearing - Probably Mutt Muffs O2 - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any expe= rience with dogs? Any vets out there? Dan Ballin LEG2 N386DM about 120 hrs ----------MB_8D0159342F4D28D_978_6C620_webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kenned= y and his unrestrained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog surviv= ed, pilot did not. Just saying....
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Czabaranek <joeczabaranek@gmail.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog

I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360. 
 
 I got him a harness marketed for securing large dogs in the back= of your car.  My harnesses attach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving= the phenolic hardpoints in the aft bulkhead available to attach the dog.&n= bsp; A U-bolt anchor on each side, 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and= an 18" long "shockle" made from 1" tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps h= im secure in the back but free to stand up and turn around.  I made th= e shockle, but I know you can buy one.
 
I use large mutt muffs on the Vizsla.  I have medium muffs for my= 65lb greyhound (also fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as = hell).  The dogs resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on f= or the duration of a 6hr flight.  Before Ive cleared the runway after = touchdown they strip em off.  The muffs must be doing something positi= ve for them.
 
Your dog wont need 02.  If your only responsibility is sitting in= the back seat, you are fine below 25,000.   At 16k cognitiv= e ability might be reduced and the pup might have an easier time sleep= ing but no harm done.
 
Joe Cz
N424DH  
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan Ballin <dballin@gmail.com= > wrote:
This has come up on occasion, but would like to hear thoughts on takin= g a 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy.

Issues are:
Crate- thinking about a soft crate.  Hard to imagine getting something= bigger in the back

Hearing - Probably Mutt Muffs

O2  - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I need O2 but any= experience with dogs?  Any vets out there?

Dan Ballin
LEG2 N386DM  about 120 = hrs

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