X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTP id 6231042 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:05:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=dfs155@roadrunner.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=XL2yuHdE c=1 sm=0 a=Ja3ah/0JYLvMDbBKcVq7Tw==:17 a=GanWbjEHyNIA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=eMz78NNevbGZUNpUYGYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Ja3ah/0JYLvMDbBKcVq7Tw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 76.178.22.229 Received: from [76.178.22.229] ([76.178.22.229:1178] helo=dan) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E2/34-25887-78FFD715; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:05:12 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Dan Schaefer" To: "Lancair list" Subject: Re: range Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:05:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Interesting discussion here and, to those of you 235/320 drivers who who haven't reached the "Golden Years" - i.e., not yet gotten nearly as old as me, you're gonna need some kind of relief tube system when you do. For a time, I used the gel-packs but found that the only way I could be sure I could get gravity assist (peeing downhill) was to unhook the seatbelts, turn on the left side which required getting a leg over the stick and trying to hit the opening in the bag - all the while keeping one hand on the stick so I wouldn't be involved in some interesting aerobatics. In fact, that's the only reason I installed a wing-leveler after some unfortunate mishaps in turbulence (at least my seat covers come out for a trip to the cleaners). I'm sure there are many solutions but I finally settled on installing a small venturi tube on the left landing gear strut which is only exposed when the gear is down. It's connected via tubing to a container that I can use without turning on my side. Works pretty well though I have to slow down to gear speed to use it. Incidentally, I did test the thing by pouring a container of water into it which went out so fast I'm very careful when I use it. In any case, it sure saves time (and fuel) on a long cross-country, eliminating the biological stops when I still have half of my fuel remaining! Dan Schaefer Early 235 - N235SP. First flight 1993 and still going strong.