Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.erols.com ([207.172.3.235]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-44819U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA22540 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:53:01 -0400 Received: from preinstalledcom (207-172-194-98.s35.as1.grn.erols.com [207.172.194.98]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01778; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360B831C.57E9@erols.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:48:44 -0400 From: "Jeffrey B. Chipetine" Reply-To: abcrental@erols.com To: lancair.list@olsusa.com CC: abcrental@erols.com Subject: fibreglass and carbon fiber X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Scott Dahlgren makes a very good point in the cautionary statement about mixing materials. While the hope of the designer is always to achieve the best of both without the drawbacks of either, this is often an evasive task, especially with carbon fibre! Depending on the modelus of the fibres and the VERY INDIVIDUAL properties aquired with the INDIVIDUAL reisins, you could be setting the stage for a failure event. One of the most infamous large scale examples of catastrophic failure of combined materials came about during the 1979 Fastnet Yacht race. EVERY yacht (we're talking about professionally designed/extravagently custom built, no expense spared) that had combined carbon and aluminum in the rudder shafts failed when a severe storm ran over the fleet and subjected these shafts to high loads. It is interesting to note that the rudder shafts were "designed" and expected to withstand these loads, but as no one had ever tested the new and improved combination of alum and carbon to failure, the high end of the envelope was unknown. As carbon was the new kid on the block at that time, it was thought that the high strength and light weight would be "backed up" by using a known material (alum) in combination. 15 men lost their lives when their vessels couldn't take the strain. Yacht racing also showed that exotic materials can be used with excellent results (carbon w/ kevlar, carbon w/boron, etc). The key for the high stress tests seems to be to find materials that will work in tandem with a compatible reisin. Carbon qualities of high tensile strength can work against you when combined with a "stretchy" reisin and then oriented so the load is tortional or on the bias. Combine both carbon and glass (E glass? S glass? or exotic matrix?) with different reisins and you will aquire different qualities. Just remember to test a sample to failure under reasonably controlled conditions (in all modes including tension, compression, torque, as well as bending tests) prior to comitting yourself to the marrige. Regards to all and praise to Marv for this wonderful opportunity... Jeffrey B. Chipetine