X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.90.92] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.2) with ESMTPS id 6130298 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:15:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.90.92; envelope-from=casey.gary@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 11:14:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 11:14:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 11:14:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 41285.43254.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 40420 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2013 11:14:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wGBQ45M0ZsURVoJzcTVu4m14ocOQ3vUgt5jp6f8j2CMeZqSzonYCLkzzR8rDS2AAmCCHCde1PCs2qyocd9cDV4WR3beSmyfIvCY+ooYvbE9iuu9yX2bqkrSieJMjYBOwddVhWnAHuuPHwdIw2OfBExEu05lZb0BJK2WVDdPbg7M=; X-YMail-OSG: 30w8X00VM1kBtAY1DTXLPnabH25T8hxahJAnqetFtBDGPym kcT4obwXlny_817jNFxuFLZI8zTW_3PuO7AuIoCHVHkZFzqR8UZ5W4Vi8XRB JCmZzjRd58yMqp.93R_0Drpif_2bADzdOovTp8I2P_1ebYRvSgG.Iu4KMK.c M9HPOYi3JI03PJwGoFNfgMSMLuoR8AIKmbMKkcCMB9sq5G_ouyWLv5LXeSY8 BFTqh3nsGLyB2nG.Fsw4WseDBcHvWnY.XsqFTP58JoC.hrBh8uqgSqFj91ro _UNbm5Re.ecaw70Bcu_ggmHoW5NcLQanN2xxsxq9OeeKhe1ThFqfhh5vk5Di EydFVr_Kq5Eugz6PczZayDFq2QnQtlUfauzS1.I2yqp3WlQhrtaCUlCzYg.r gIY.3uZfcIhuXVH292JmSuanoRcHpmHh7RFBmiXO9KIIHO475grvEaDq3KrB 1DBegu8QjaB_4A550xM03tUqKNbWktpf8XatOwT97NLVN3K1dm6cFGAk6MxY uHqpgU2eq2I1flZ4rjuSoxsFO Received: from [71.218.232.52] by web120106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:14:35 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Sm9lLApNYXliZSB0aGlzIGlzIGhlcmV0aWMsIGJ1dCB3aGF0J3Mgd3Jvbmcgd2l0aCAxNyBkZWdyZWVzPyDCoEkga25vdyBvbiBteSBFUyBJIHdhcyB1bmFibGUgdG8gZ2V0IGZ1bGwgdHJhdmVsIGFuZCBhcyBzb21lb25lIG9uY2Ugc2FpZCwgIml0IGFpbid0IGh1cnQgdGhlIGZseWluIG9mIGVyIG5vbmUuIiDCoE15IGFpbGVyb24gc3RvcHMgYXJlIG5vdyB0aGUgd2VpZ2h0cyBoaXR0aW5nIHRoZSB3aW5nIGluc3RlYWQgb2YgYXQgdGhlIHN0aWNrLiDCoEkgc3VwcG9zZSBJIGhhdmUgYSBsaXR0bGUgbGVzcyABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.138.524 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1363778075.40345.YahooMailNeo@web120106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Casey Reply-To: Gary Casey Subject: Re: Aileron balancing X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-96787742-801050050-1363778075=:40345" ---96787742-801050050-1363778075=:40345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe,=0AMaybe this is heretic, but what's wrong with 17 degrees? =C2=A0I kno= w on my ES I was unable to get full travel and as someone once said, "it ai= n't hurt the flyin of er none." =C2=A0My aileron stops are now the weights = hitting the wing instead of at the stick. =C2=A0I suppose I have a little l= ess roll rate available and less crosswind capability, but I've landed with= a crosswind of over 20 without problem.=0AGary Casey=0AES #157=0A=0AHi Gro= up,=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve checked my aileron travel distance after balancing t= hem and discovered I did not have enough travel distance downward (only abo= ut 17 degrees and not the required 20 degrees) however I have plenty in the= upward direction.=C2=A0 The interference was coming from the lead counter = weight itself hitting the top wing, inside wing skin. =C2=A0(the problem se= ems slightly worse on the Pilot side than the copilot side)=C2=A0 =C2=A0I u= sed the Lancair cantilevered counter weights that screw to the top of the a= ileron flange and not the older style that bond to the underside of the fla= nge.=C2=A0 After shaving away enough weight to provide the proper downward = aileron I need to add more weight=E2=80=A6. About 30% more I=E2=80=99m esti= mating. =C2=A0The weight installation instructions say to bevel the edge as= required.=C2=A0 I had to do more than just bevel the edge.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0= =0AI=E2=80=99m going to have to add the older style weight to supplement th= e cantilevered weight.=C2=A0 Has anyone else had this problem?=C2=A0 I can= =E2=80=99t imagine that moving the weight forward or aft would make much di= fference but maybe there=E2=80=99s an optimum location I haven=E2=80=99t fo= und.=C2=A0 Any thoughts would be appreciated.=0A=C2=A0=0AJoe Trepicone IVPT ---96787742-801050050-1363778075=:40345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe,
Maybe this is heretic, but what's wrong with 17 degrees?  I know on m= y ES I was unable to get full travel and as someone once said, "it ain't hu= rt the flyin of er none."  My aileron stops are now the weights hittin= g the wing instead of at the stick.  I suppose I have a little less ro= ll rate available and less crosswind capability, but I've landed with a cro= sswind of over 20 without problem.
Gary Casey
ES #157

I=E2=80=99m going to have to add the older style w= eight to supplement the cantilevered weight.  Has anyone else had this= problem?  I can=E2=80=99t imagine that moving the weight forward or a= ft would make much difference but maybe there=E2=80=99s an optimum location= I haven=E2=80=99t found.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Joe Trepicone IVPT
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