Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #64895
From: <vtailjeff@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Pressurization
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:04:42 -0400 (EDT)
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
John,
 
How do you set the desired cabin altitude and control the pressure?
 
Jeff
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From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:50 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Pressurization

In addition to all the reasons Pete mentioned, I would add that there will be lots of times where you will want to be able to monitor how your pressurization system is doing.   having delta psi + cabin altitude are both really useful.   After you reseal that main gear (seat bottom) inspection plate; develop a pinhole leak in your door seal; adjust your mixer valve etc.

I don't know the chelton or VP systems but it's hard to believe they don't have configurable aux ports into which you could plug a pressure transducer if you absolutely don't have room for the analog instruments.

On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:11 AM, John Barrett wrote:

Pete,

Thanks for the info.  I do not have a cabin altimeter inst on my panel and I'm pretty sure neither Cheltons nor the VP 200 can be configured for this data.

Yes, I would appreciate borrowing the tools you have.  I would be happy to pay shipping and a rental fee to help defray your acquisition costs for anything that helps.

John Barrett
243 Old Oak Bay Rd
Port Hadlock, WA 98339
3603011066

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On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:18 AM, "pete@leapfrogventures.com" <pete@leapfrogventures.com> wrote:

John,
 
I assume you are adding a cabin altimeter to your instrument panel?  It reads out both the cabin differential in psi and the cabin altitude.  It is a must have IMHO to monitor and prevent cabin over-pressurization.  It is the only test instrument needed for calibrating the Dukes and sealing the cabin.
 
I know that there is an overpressure valve that mounts next to the Dukes.  However, my Dukes head was not working properly during testing and was not opening.  The overpressure valve was no match for the amount of pressurized air coming in the cabin, and the pressure quickly went over 6.5 psi before I was able to do a manual dump.  If you look at the teeny size of the overpressure valve and compare that to the volume of pressurized air coming into the cabin on climb-out, you will quickly come to the conclusion that it provides inadequate over pressurization protection.
 
I think you are using a G900 like me.  It has an annunciator input called CABIN ALTITUDE.  I connected that annunciator to a pressure switch set to 6 psi that compares the pressure in the cabin to the pressure under the floor in the baggage compartment (where the switch is mounted).  In case the Dukes valve fails and the cabin pressure rises too high, at least I will get some notice (see note above about not depending on the manual vent valve).
 
I do have a digital differential manometer that measures PSI you are welcome to borrow.  I used it to calibrate the overpressure valve that mounts next to the Dukes (I set it to 6psi).  I built a plenum from a large plastic food container that you can pressurize with a compressor (carefully) that you can borrow as well.
 
Pete
 
From: John Barrett [mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:11 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Pressurization
 
I didn’t think I’d need help with measurement issues, but I’m hitting some stone walls.
 
I have a pocket altimeter I thought I’d use but wonder if it will have a stop on negative altitude.  Also I went online to see how to convert altitude differential to PSID.  Not much luck.  The one site I found had conversion formulae that don’t seem correct.  It lists a correlation 1” of mercury to 1,000 feet of altitude and that should be ok.  It then goes on to list a .49 conversion factor to get from inches of mercury to psi. 
 
My calculations show that at a service ceiling of FL290 the altitude difference to 10,000 foot cabin alt is 19,000 feet.  .49 times this difference is about 9.5 PSID.  That’s WAY higher than the 5.0 PSI we’re supposed to be seeing in the LIVP at FL 290.  I had hoped to test to about 6 PSI.
 
Short of an altimeter that allows negative readings all the way to something over 19K and a formula that works, the only other instrument I can think of is a gauge that reads psi.  I found some online that sell for from a couple hundred bucks to $450 or so.  They all appeared to be set up for plumbing into a pipe system and I don’t know if they would read correctly if placed inside the cockpit.
 
How have you IVP builders out there gone about getting measurements when sealing up the pressure vessel?
 
Thanks,
 
John Barrett, CEO
Leading Edge Composites
PO Box 428
Port Hadlock, WA 98339
 
 

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