X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5789844 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:52:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q92Hq1uA012206 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:52:01 -0400 Received: from core-mnc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.205]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2AF0CE000081 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:52:01 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FAA certification In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF6EDDC217AE63_1E50_48C5_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37043-STANDARD Received: from 75.49.239.58 by webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:52:00 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CF6EDDC1FD7F43-1E50-11A1@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.49.239.58] X-Original-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433285824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8506b29c138ac This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF6EDDC217AE63_1E50_48C5_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There is no such thing as an inexpensive inspection. I will go with a good = DAR any day of the week. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Bill Harrelson To: lml Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 9:33 am Subject: [LML] Re: FAA certification Why IFR? Did you mention anything to them about flying IFR? You certainly= =20 an=E2=80=99t fly IFR during the test period. You should be able to license = your=20 lane with just minimum VFR equipment (many have been so licensed). It is possible to purchase a factory new, FAA type certificated airplane=20 ith no radios and basic VFR instrumentation. Clearly, this would not be IFR= =20 egal. At a later date you could add radios and other equipment specified by= =20 he FARs and make it legal IFR. I am aware of NO requirement that the=20 irplane be IFR legal for initial certification. Furthermore, I am unable= =20 o find any FAR requirement for an alternate static source for VFR or IFR=20 light. You can show them a razor blade that you carry to cut the static line and= =20 ent it to the cabin. This is as good an "alternate static source" as you=20 re going to get. Bill Harrelson 5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs 6ZQ IV 0 hours ----Original Message-----=20 rom: Greenbacks, UnLtd. ent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:38 AM o: lml@lancaironline.net ubject: [LML] Re: FAA certification Last Friday and 4hrs into the inspection, the process came to a screeching= =20 alt when I was unable to show an alternate static source was installed. The= =20 nspector wanted to be sure 4ZQ had all the equipment required for IFR=20 light. Needless to say, I was none too pleased but saluted and said yes=20 ir, right away sir since his return visit is scheduled for this coming=20 riday. I have no particular interest in arm-wreastling with the guy but can= =20 ne of you, just one of you point to an FAA legal requirement that my little= =20 ip squeak of a 360 have an alternate static source to be legal for IFR? He had some long checklist of items, presumably from within the bowels of= =20 he FAA, but then he completely overlooked the missing cotter pin at the=20 eft main axle. Angier Ames 4ZQ - or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html= =20 - or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CF6EDDC217AE63_1E50_48C5_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
There is no such thing as an inexpensive inspection. I= will go with a good DAR any day of the week.
 
Jeff


= -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Harrelson <n5zq@verizon.net>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 9:33 am
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA certification

Why IF=
R? Did you mention anything to them about flying IFR? You certainly=20
can=E2=80=99t fly IFR during the test period. You should be able to license=
 your=20
plane with just minimum VFR equipment (many have been so licensed).

It is possible to purchase a factory new, FAA type certificated airplane=20
with no radios and basic VFR instrumentation. Clearly, this would not be IF=
R=20
legal. At a later date you could add radios and other equipment specified b=
y=20
the FARs and make it legal IFR. I am aware of NO requirement that the=20
airplane be IFR legal for initial certification.  Furthermore, I am unable=
=20
to find any FAR requirement for an alternate static source for VFR or IFR=
=20
flight.

You can show them a razor blade that you carry to cut the static line and=
=20
vent it to the cabin. This is as good an "alternate static source" as you=
=20
are going to get.

Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
N6ZQ  IV  0 hours






-----Original Message-----=20
From: Greenbacks, UnLtd.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:38 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA certification

Last Friday and 4hrs into the inspection, the process came to a screeching=
=20
halt when I was unable to show an alternate static source was installed. Th=
e=20
inspector wanted to be sure 4ZQ had all the equipment required for IFR=20
flight. Needless to say, I was none too pleased but saluted and said yes=20
sir, right away sir since his return visit is scheduled for this coming=20
Friday. I have no particular interest in arm-wreastling with the guy but ca=
n=20
one of you, just one of you point to an FAA legal requirement that my littl=
e=20
pip squeak of a 360 have an alternate static source to be legal for IFR?

He had some long checklist of items, presumably from within the bowels of=
=20
the FAA, but then he completely overlooked the missing cotter pin at the=20
left main axle.

Angier Ames
N4ZQ
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