Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #62954
From: Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:46:49 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

For me, I would send the pump to Chris for examination.  Come winter time, there will be plenty of consecutive non-flying days.
 
Gary
LNC2 
----- Original Message -----
From: Wolfgang
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure


I have said it before, removing a pump and taking it apart to fix a supposed design problem, putting the aircraft down for the duration, is not always the best solution. After it's apart, you're still looking to verify your supposition. Installing a fix like mine guarantees a solution in about 30 minutes. Pilot's choice. 30 minutes is a small price to pay.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure

Wolfgang,
The ‘failure to retract’ issue, to which you refer, sounds like a pump configuration issue. 
For example, the current pump sold by Lancair for the 320/360/Legacy contains spool return springs.    This configuration has the potential to lock up due to thermal heating.  This configuration is simply not compatible with the design of the Lancair two-seat hydraulic systems. 
With personnel turn-over at both companies, neither side knows why the return springs were added.  However, both Parker and Lancair agree that a lock up on the ground is possible with the springs installed.  This lock-up has been experienced by some, including the factory Legacy.  It just has not been reported enough to drive an engineering change at Lancair. 
Parker has graciously supplied parts to revert currently sold “CZZ” pumps back to the original 320/360 configuration with respect to spool operation.  I have been forwarding these parts free of charge to anyone who needs them.
See conversion instructions here: http://www.n91cz.com/Hydraulics/Pump-Unlock.pdf
I applaud your ingenuity in devising your circuit.  Unfortunately your energy seems to be a little misplaced.   I would prefer to investigate and fix the root cause of any out of the ordinary behavior-especially on an airplane!   If my engine was burning a quart of oil per hour, the fix would not to design a gadget that would pump oil from an onboard supply into the sump and replenish the lost oil.  The solution, albeit painful in the short term, would be to open up the engine, find and fix the problem and then fly like other engines.
I understand that removing a pump, in particular those mounted behind the baggage bulkhead is no fun.  Poor access is a real deterrent for any maintenance activity.  That is simply human nature.  In the grand scheme of things, it is a small price to pay. 
My offer still stands to examine your (Lorn’s) pump or any other that is able to lock-up both circuits.  I have not yet come across one that did not have an obvious cause-like the springs mentioned above, so any such reported behavior of great interest to me and is worth investigating.
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
www.N91CZ.net


From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:28 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure
Let's not forget this thermal influence causing non-function can also happen in reverse. It has been reported that a thermal a soak on the ground after a cold night can and has caused a failure to retract after take off.
 
A while back I offered a solution of bumping the pump automatically whenever both pressure switches, HI and LO, are open due to high pressure. This would put the system back in normal operation mode without the need for pilot intervention
 
Wolfgang
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