X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.145] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5569431 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:40:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.145; envelope-from=n5276j@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4V2dbRn012156 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:39:37 -0400 Received: from core-mld003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.81]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D3EABE000089 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:39:36 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: hartzell 68" props for 360 with 200+HP In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: steve X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF0CEDC0EF3613_229C_2B665_Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36210-STANDARD Received: from 174.253.185.197 by Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 30 May 2012 22:39:36 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CF0CEDC04D56FB-229C-A616@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [174.253.185.197] X-Original-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:39:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486186112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4fc6d9e85673 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF0CEDC0EF3613_229C_2B665_Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lorn,=20 Thanks for the reply but your answer is not what I asked. I need to know if= anybody is flying the 68" blades with a modify 200+ HP 360. Hartzel's webs= ite states the prop with the 68" blades is for the 180 hp 360. They have th= e 200hp with 72" blades. I have talked to Hartzell and they say the prop is= good to 300hp as you have mention and they dought that the prop is on the = stops. My governor is new old stock. I am trying to avoid removing and send= ing in the governor for OH until I know for certain it is the governor or t= he prop is on the stops.(I don't want to fix what is not broken) If I pull = the power back to match a 180 hp 360 I have no problem pulling the prop bac= k to slower RPM's.=20 Today I flew to Durango Colorado with a Legacy at 17,500. I was able to pul= l 16.5 " MP WOT and 2300 rpm is all I could bring the prop back to. When I = flew to Sun-in-fun in March I cruised at 17,500 I had to pull back to 14" = to get the prop rpm's down to 2000, I did not try that today as I was pushi= ng to keep up with the Leagcy. So I was hoping there is another 360 with a 200+HP with the 68" blades that= can comment on his rpm control at high altitude? I have no problem at lowe= r altitudes. THANKS FOR THE REPLIES. steve alderman 360 -----Original Message----- From: Lorn H Olsen To: lml Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 10:02 am Subject: [LML] Re: hartzell 68" props for 360 with 200+HP Steve, Governors control the prop speed, just about, no matter what the horsepower= or=20 peed that you have, except in exceptional situations. Exceptional Situations: 1) Oil pressure is not getting to the governor and then to the prop. ) You have enough horsepower to break the prop (with your plane at least 30= 0=20 P). ) You have enough speed to go past the fixed prop stops (over 300 kts). In all honesty, I haven't done the exact calculations on the above speed an= d HP. If you are not in one of these exceptional situations, have the governor ch= ecked=20 y a mechanic that knows how to adjust it, or send it for an overhaul to: =09H & S Propeller Shop Inc 8220 Old White Lake Rd White Lake Mi 48386-1154 =09800-323-0217 Tell Bryan or Mark that I sent you. I had an overspeed and the first thing that I did was to have the governor= =20 verhauled. I did have 1,000 hours on the plane at the time. Much less and a= n=20 djustment should do. Lorn > From: steve Date: May 29, 2012 11:09:08 AM EDT =20 Hi All.=20 =20 Got a question for 360 flyers with over 200HP and the Hartzell prop with = 68"=20 lades. I need to know if you guys with the higher HP can bring your RPM's = down=20 o say 2000 or so while running full throttle at altitude of 12,000 to 17,50= 0. I=20 ave to pull back power in order to bring the rpms down at alitude of 12,000= +.=20 =20 steve alderman 360 - ---------------------------------------------------------------\ Lorn H. 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Lorn,
 
Thanks for the reply but your answer is not what I asked. I need to kn= ow if anybody is flying the 68" blades with a modify 200+ HP 360. Hartzel's= website states the prop with the 68" blades is for the 180 hp 360. They ha= ve the 200hp with 72" blades. I have talked to Hartzell and they say t= he prop is good to 300hp as you have mention and they dought that the prop = is on the stops. My governor is new old stock. I am trying to avoid re= moving and sending in the governor for OH until I know for certain it is th= e governor or the prop is on the stops.(I don't want to fix what is not bro= ken) If I pull the power back to match a 180 hp 360 I have no problem = pulling the prop back to slower RPM's. 
 
Today I flew to Durango Colorado with a Legacy at 17,500. I was able t= o pull 16.5 " MP WOT and 2300 rpm is all I could bring the prop back t= o. When I flew to Sun-in-fun in March I cruised at 17,500  I had to pu= ll back to 14" to get the prop rpm's down to 2000, I did not try that today= as I was pushing to keep up with the Leagcy.
 
So I was hoping there is another 360 with a 200+HP with the 68" blades= that can comment on his rpm control at high altitude? I have no problem at= lower altitudes.
 
THANKS FOR THE REPLIES.
 
steve alderman 360
 
 
 

 
= -----Original Message-----
From: Lorn H Olsen <lorn@dynacomm.us>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 10:02 am
Subject: [LML] Re: hartzell 68" props for 360 with 200+HP

Steve,

Governors control the prop speed, just about, no matter what the horsepower=
 or=20
speed that you have, except in exceptional situations.

Exceptional Situations:

1) Oil pressure is not getting to the governor and then to the prop.
2) You have enough horsepower to break the prop (with your plane at least 3=
00=20
HP).
3) You have enough speed to go past the fixed prop stops (over 300 kts).

In all honesty, I haven't done the exact calculations on the above speed an=
d HP.

If you are not in one of these exceptional situations, have the governor ch=
ecked=20
by a mechanic that knows how to adjust it, or send it for an overhaul to:

=09H & S Propeller Shop Inc
=098220 Old White Lake Rd
=09White Lake Mi 48386-1154

=09800-323-0217

Tell Bryan or Mark that I sent you.

I had an overspeed and the first thing that I did was to have the governor=
=20
overhauled. I did have 1,000 hours on the plane at the time. Much less and =
an=20
adjustment should do.

Lorn

> From: steve <n5276j@aol.com&g=
t;
> Date: May 29, 2012 11:09:08 AM EDT
>=20
> Hi All.=20
> =20
> Got a question for  360 flyers with over 200HP and the Hartzell prop w=
ith 68"=20
blades.  I need to know if you guys with the higher HP can bring your RPM's=
 down=20
to say 2000 or so while running full throttle at altitude of 12,000 to 17,5=
00. I=20
have to pull back power in order to bring the rpms down at alitude of 12,00=
0 +.=20
> =20
> steve alderman   360


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