X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from carbinge.com ([69.5.27.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with SMTP id 5559751 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 25 May 2012 10:10:33 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.5.27.218; envelope-from=jbarrett@carbinge.com Received: (qmail 20960 invoked from network); 25 May 2012 14:09:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; s=default; d=carbinge.com; b=gzAxOEZHB26kAJKGeM2PTqBqO+3Q+1sPsFhzjS6MQsOifNytmgAcwr/Y2G4R62C/iONeDtA+nXI+dTyCepHMbOZbP0QG5aEG/fsiwPV9D6TcKvxGDqmu3aPuoE/TNR/ovCMvVVTKQuRKl6vlJWoKKwrcvmcqqF/V7tnPiJv7nHA=; X-Originating-IP: [24.143.114.61] Reply-To: From: "John Barrett" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Request for Help X-Original-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:09:55 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <061201cd3a80$10004350$3000c9f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0613_01CD3A45.63A16B50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac06fp7pSiVIZ7KQTuS5QSphr2Pq7QAAP9sA Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01CD3A45.63A16B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, =20 I=E2=80=99m doing some checking into this. I=E2=80=99m over on the = Olympic Peninsula and have a pretty fair knowledge of only IV and IVP = drivers in Washington State. That said I know at least one 320/360 = owners and have sent out a request for an in with this group. I know = there are quite a few so we should be able to find someone to help. = Hope to be able to get some names for you soon. =20 Best, John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Douglas Brunner Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:59 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Request for Help =20 I think it is a very good idea to help prevent an accident in the = making! =20 =20 Not sure what assistance I can offer except to say that I transitioned = from a fairly slick, high performance single (Mooney Ovation) to the = Lancair Legacy and I NEEDED training. Surprisingly, my insurance = company didn=E2=80=99t require any type specific training in the Legacy = before it would allow me to fly. Nevertheless, I trained for several = days with Josh Brungardt (good instructor and good guy) before I felt = comfortable in the Legacy. Even if you are an ace pilot (I am not) the = systems and emergency procedures are all different from what you have = been flying. It is CRAZY to fly a new plane without training! =20 =C2=B7 I met and talked to the man from S. Carolina (sorry - bad = with names) who was killed in his Legacy when he took off with the = canopy unlatched =E2=80=93 preventable with proper training =C2=B7 I talked to the man from Pittsburgh who was killed (bad = with names) in his fixed gear Legacy on the way into Oshkosh =E2=80=93 = preventable with proper training =C2=B7 I knew Harry League, who was a good guy and a careful = builder. His problem appears to have been of a different sort =E2=80=93 = still=E2=80=A6.. =20 Don=E2=80=99t want to read any more bad news. GET TRAINING!!!!! =20 D. Brunner =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Robert R Pastusek Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:01 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Request for Help =20 Lancair Builders/Flyers, =20 The Lancair Owners & Builders Organization (LOBO) received the following = email request for help. Rather than publish the personal details that = may be a bit sensitive on the internet, I=E2=80=99ve deleted the names = and contact information I have, but would be pleased to provide it = directly to anyone who could offer some assistance. This request for = help came from Wenatchee, WA (KEAT). =20 =20 I am the President of our local EAA Chapter, and have been flying a = Long-EZ I built, since 1986. I know from a close friend with an O360 = Lancair which he built and has flown for the last 15 years that = Lancairs, at least the small tailed ones, require special care until one = is familiar and practiced with their characteristics, especially when = landing. =20 I learned today of an older, orphan O-235 that is being prepped by a = local A&P shop for its new owner. The plane has sat idle in a hanger = for at least four years, but appears in generally good shape. The new = owner has never flown it, and is not current in anything. However, he = says he has flown a 320 or 360 Lancair in the past. =20 In the interest of ensuring the new owner does not have an early, = preventable accident, can you recommend someone who can provide the A&P = with a list of any special Lancair items to check on his reinspection, = and someone else who can either check out the new owner in a different = Lancair, or in his new one, provided the new owner is willing to accept = some guidance from this person. Many thanks for any help you can provide. =20 Please contact me directly if you are in a position to offer assistance, = either in maintenance/inspection or flight orientation/training for the = pilot. We do not know, at present, if he would be receptive to our help, = but are asking about this now. =20 Thanks in advance! =20 Bob Pastusek For LOBO=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01CD3A45.63A16B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob,

 

I=E2=80=99m doing some checking into this.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m over on = the Olympic Peninsula and have a pretty fair knowledge of only IV and = IVP drivers in Washington State.=C2=A0 That said I know at least one = 320/360 owners and have sent out a request for an in with this = group.=C2=A0 I know there are quite a few so we should be able to find = someone to help.=C2=A0 Hope to be able to get some names for you = soon.

 

Best,

John Barrett

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Douglas Brunner
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:59 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Request for Help

 

I think it is a very good idea to help prevent an accident in = the making! 

 

Not sure what assistance I can offer except to say that I = transitioned from a fairly slick, high performance single (Mooney = Ovation) to the Lancair Legacy and I NEEDED = training.  Surprisingly, my insurance company didn=E2=80=99t = require any type specific training in the Legacy before it would allow = me to fly.  Nevertheless, I trained for several days with Josh = Brungardt (good instructor and good guy) before I felt comfortable in = the Legacy.  Even if you are an ace pilot (I am not) the systems = and emergency procedures are all different from what you have been = flying.  It is CRAZY to fly a new plane without = training!

 

=C2=B7         = I met and talked to the man from S. Carolina (sorry - bad with names) = who was killed in his Legacy when he took off with the canopy unlatched = =E2=80=93 preventable with proper training

=C2=B7         = I talked to the man from Pittsburgh who was killed (bad with names) = in his fixed gear Legacy on the way into Oshkosh =E2=80=93 preventable = with proper training

=C2=B7         = I knew Harry League, who was a good guy and a careful builder.  = His problem appears to have been of a different sort =E2=80=93 = still=E2=80=A6..

 

Don=E2=80=99t want to read any more bad news.  GET = TRAINING!!!!!

 

D. Brunner

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Robert R Pastusek
Sent: Thursday, May 24, = 2012 11:01 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: [LML] Request for Help

 

Lancair = Builders/Flyers,

 

The = Lancair Owners & Builders Organization (LOBO) received the following = email request for help. Rather than publish the personal details that = may be a bit sensitive on the internet, I=E2=80=99ve deleted the names = and contact information I have, but would be pleased to provide it = directly to anyone who could offer some assistance. This request for = help came from Wenatchee, WA (KEAT).

 

 

I am the President of our local EAA Chapter, and have been flying a = Long-EZ I built, since 1986.  I know from a close friend with an O360 Lancair which = he built and has flown for the last 15 years that Lancairs, at least the = small tailed ones, require special care until one is familiar and practiced with their characteristics, especially when landing. 

I learned today of an older, orphan O-235 that is being prepped by a = local A&P shop for its new owner.  The plane has sat idle in a hanger for at least four  years, but appears in generally good shape. The new owner has never flown it, and is not current in anything.  However, he says he has flown a 320 = or 360 Lancair in the past.  

In the interest of ensuring the new owner does not have an = early, preventable accident, can you recommend someone who can provide the A&P with a list of any special Lancair items to = check on his reinspection, and someone else who can either check out the = new owner in a different Lancair, or in his new one, provided the new owner is willing to accept some guidance from this = person.

Many thanks for any help you can provide.

 

Please = contact me directly if you are in a position to offer assistance, either = in maintenance/inspection or flight orientation/training for the pilot. = We do not know, at present, if he would be receptive to our help, but = are asking about this now.

 

Thanks = in advance!

 

Bob = Pastusek

For LOBO 

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