X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:07:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from colossus.formysite.com ([64.58.34.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5487949 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:18:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.58.34.10; envelope-from=genemartin@enid.com Received: from gene (173-219-108-126.tex.sta.suddenlink.net [173.219.108.126] (may be forged)) by colossus.formysite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id q3J1Hawg016208 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:17:36 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <1EBDAFF7ABDF4590B6CAE9F1C5AC6EE3@gene> From: "genemartin" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: ensure your transponder works X-Original-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:17:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01CD1DA0.4B374A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CD1DA0.4B374A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary we may be in a new era. I had my shop inspection a couple weeks ago = and a new inspector didn't like one form for my capabilities list,all = info was there but they call the form by a different name now. Been fine = for last 12 years. Got 90 days to comply. He showed me a ltr. sent to = all inspectors and as I read it there was a sentence that = read...inspectors are not there to be a friend to repair stations but to = enforce compliance and inspectors are to give a reasonable time for = compliance before enforcement actions so as not to over burden faa with = regulatory paper work. (something like that) look out all. Gene Martin LNC2/320 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary Casey=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: [LML] Re: ensure your transponder works Ralf, I'd like a little more detail. I assume you were not talking (getting = flight following services) to ATC all along, right? I don't know the = details of the Class B airspace around Newark, but I also assume you = were flying inside the Mode C 30-mile circle, but outside Class B = airspace, right? That's the only time I can imagine getting a "Mode C = violation." If you were getting flight following services I can't = imagine them not telling you they weren't receiving your Mode C return. = And, of course, if only the altitude encoding function were inop the = Xponder would still be showing reception (blinking light) and would be = transmitting a reply. I and my neighbors often fly under the Denver = Class B without talking to ATC. hmm.... So, yes, user beware - you = could violate the Mode C airspace and never know it - until later. I = suppose the only defense would be to talk to ATC whenever anywhere near = the 30-mile radius. The other post about ATC getting in a snit because of 20 minutes of = radio silence - that's surprising as I've had just that occurrence many = times over the years, usually resulting in me looking up the nearest = frequency on the chart and recovering communication. But it was usually = out in the middle of nowhere, not in Florida (wait, is that also = nowhere? :-). I'm surprised FAA is pushing back so hard. Just two examples of a "kindlier and friendlier" FAA, or are we in a = new era? I think I know the answer. An anecdote: My transponder = replies with my registration number, but I didn't know that until I had = flown my ES for 3 years or so, including all over LA. Doing a Xponder = cert, the technician asked, "why don't you have the correct N-number = programmed?" Huh? So I programmed in the right number - I had been = flying for years with me telling ATC one number and my Xponder telling = them another. Nobody complained, so I assume they weren't watching. = Or? Gary Casey Dear subscribers Last week I flew from my home airport in Ohio to the Linden Airport (KLDJ - about 10 miles south of Newark). I flew into this airport IFR before and I recall the controller asking me if I could finish my = flight VFR because of all the traffic in this area. This time I decided not = to bother anybody and go VFR from the start since the weather was fine. I had a Garmin 320 transponder and the amber light was happily = flashing all the way to New York. What I did not know was that the transponder failed and was not sending out a signal.... When I landed the airport stuff came up immediately and told me to = call NY FAA. They filed then a Mode C violation and told me not to move the plane without permission.=20 ..... After explaining the FAA that the old transponder failed and I had a replacement in place I got permission to leave Linden the next day. = The new transponder works and everybody can see me again. The FAA = indicated that since I have a work order for testing the old transponder (Tom Madden's recommendation) they will drop my charges. Ralf ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CD1DA0.4B374A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary we may be in a new era. I had my = shop=20 inspection a couple weeks ago and a new inspector didn't like one form = for my=20 capabilities list,all info was there but they call the form by a = different name=20 now. Been fine for last 12 years. Got 90 days to comply. He showed me a = ltr.=20 sent to all inspectors and as I read it there was a sentence that=20 read...inspectors are not there to be a friend to repair stations but to = enforce=20 compliance and inspectors are to give a reasonable time for compliance = before=20 enforcement actions so as not to over burden faa with regulatory paper = work.=20 (something like that)  look out all.
 
Gene Martin
LNC2/320
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary=20 Casey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 = 10:00=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: ensure your=20 transponder works

Ralf,
I'd like a little more detail.  I assume you were not = talking=20 (getting flight following services) to ATC all along, right?  I = don't=20 know the details of the Class B airspace around Newark, but I also = assume you=20 were flying inside the Mode C 30-mile circle, but outside Class B = airspace,=20 right?  That's the only time I can imagine getting a "Mode C = violation."=20  If you were getting flight following services I can't imagine = them not=20 telling you they weren't receiving your Mode C return.  And, of = course,=20 if only the altitude encoding function were inop the Xponder would = still be=20 showing reception (blinking light) and would be transmitting a reply. =  I=20 and my neighbors often fly under the Denver Class B without talking to = ATC.=20  hmm....  So, yes, user beware - you could violate the Mode = C=20 airspace and never know it - until later.  I suppose the only = defense=20 would be to talk to ATC whenever anywhere near the 30-mile = radius.

The other post about ATC getting in a snit because of 20 minutes = of radio=20 silence - that's surprising as I've had just that occurrence many = times over=20 the years, usually resulting in me looking up the nearest frequency on = the=20 chart and recovering communication.  But it was usually out in = the middle=20 of nowhere, not in Florida (wait, is that also nowhere? :-).  I'm = surprised FAA is pushing back so hard.

Just two examples of a "kindlier and friendlier" FAA, or are we = in a new=20 era?  I think I know the answer.  An anecdote:  My = transponder=20 replies with my registration number, but I didn't know that until I = had flown=20 my ES for 3 years or so, including all over LA.  Doing a Xponder = cert,=20 the technician asked, "why don't you have the correct N-number = programmed?"=20  Huh?  So I programmed in the right number - I had been = flying for=20 years with me telling ATC one number and my Xponder telling them = another.=20  Nobody complained, so I assume they weren't watching. =  Or?

Gary Casey

Dear subscribers

Last week I flew from = my home=20 airport in Ohio to the Linden Airport
(KLDJ - about 10 miles south = of=20 Newark). I flew into this airport IFR
before and I recall the = controller=20 asking me if I could finish my flight
VFR because of all the = traffic in=20 this area. This time I decided not to
bother anybody and go VFR = from the=20 start since the weather was fine.

I had a Garmin 320 = transponder and=20 the amber light was happily flashing
all the way to New York. What = I did=20 not know was that the transponder
failed and was not sending out a=20 signal....

When I landed the airport stuff came up immediately = and told=20 me to call
NY FAA. They filed then a Mode C violation and told me = not to=20 move the
plane without permission. 
.....
After = explaining the=20 FAA that the old transponder failed and I had a
replacement in = place I got=20 permission to leave Linden the next day. The
new transponder works = and=20 everybody can see me again. The FAA indicated
that since I have a = work=20 order for testing the old transponder (Tom
Madden's recommendation) = they=20 will drop my=20 charges.

Ralf
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